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DutchMonarchist

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/05/dutch-divided-over-law-against-insulting-the-king

As the article above says, there is currently a discussion in the Netherlands about abolishing the law that makes it a crime to insult the King. Proponents of the change say that the King would still be protected by the regular legislation against slander and the like, but opponents say that the King should have a special position as the head of state. What do you guys think about this?

This change will probably occur at some point. Ever since the rise of Geert Wilders and his PVV party there has been a clear majority in parliament in favor of abolishing this law. He tends to vote with the left on these kinds of issues, who always wanted to get rid of it. However, the center-right parties (the Christian parties in particular) oppose the change and have usually been represented in government, therefore allowing them to block this change. As the article mentions the Christian parties are also in the government right now, so they might be able to block it there even as a minority, but how long will that last?

Besides this law, the law against insulting a head of a state from an allied nation would also be abolished. The whole discussion has in fact been triggered by that, as last year a German comedian was prosecuted for insulting Erdogan. Dutch politicians say they want to avoid that here, and the law against insulting our own head of state has now become part of the reform proposals.
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Les Majestee is crucial for Kings. The Christians are 100% right on here. Repulsing this legislation is work of the Devil. If you don't believe in him, he is happy about it, you can honor him by deficating on his face, he is the devil. Kings are the opposite.
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I wouldn't say crucial, we seem to manage well enough without it in Britain. I'm sure the Netherlands monarchy would also survive the removal of this protection, which is not to say that it's a good idea to take it away. As for the Devil, I am glad to contribute to his happiness, since that is as non-existent as he is.
DutchMonarchist

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An interesting argument used by Sybrand Buma, the leader of the Christian Democrats in our parliament, is that the King does not have the ability to defend himself like a normal citizen can against attacks. He can't just speak his mind and would therefore need some special protection.

Did such laws never exist in Britain at all? They were introduced here in the 1880s, but I suppose Britain may already have been too liberal for it by then.
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According to Wikipedia, there was a common-law offence equivalent to lèse-majesté, abolished as late as 2010. However, the last time anyone was prosecuted for it was in 1715. Making irreverent fun of the monarch has long been a British tradition, and does not necessarily imply a lack of affection (though it can). The monarchy certainly seems able to endure it, either way.
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