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Wessexman

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This made me very happy:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/pm-to-say-uk-prepared-to-leave-single-market/ar-AAlSZQX?li=AA5249&ocid=spartandhp

I've been pleasantly surprised with Mrs. May so far. Being in the Single Market is essentially like being half in the EU, with even less say than we have now.
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This made me very happy:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/pm-to-say-uk-prepared-to-leave-single-market/ar-AAlSZQX?li=AA5249&ocid=spartandhp

I've been pleasantly surprised with Mrs. May so far. Being in the Single Market is essentially like being half in the EU, with even less say than we have now.

I read this earlier in The Mail. I too am very happy. However, I have less trust in Mrs May than you seem to. I want to see reports of the actual speech before I applaud.


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I posted about this under the Britain and Commonwealth section without seeing your post here.  She said Britain would leave the Common Market but would seek an arrangement to replace the customs union.  It's a "Hard Brexit" as opposed to the "Soft Brexit" many Remainers had hoped she would announce.  She also said the whole thing will be put before both Houses of Parliament, which theoretically could mean the Remainers could reject the deal there.  This cannot make many Brexiters happy.  It seems there is something in this speech to make people in both camps quite angry, which means Prime Minister May is doing something right.  Lol...
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But, really, soft Brexit doesn't mean anything. It is a bit like being half pregnant. The Single Market is not just a trading zone. The EU would still have massive powers over our economy, one of the central responsibilities of a state. And we'd have less of a say about what the EU does with those powers than now.
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She also said the whole thing will be put before both Houses of Parliament, which theoretically could mean the Remainers could reject the deal there.  This cannot make many Brexiters happy.


It will quite probably be rejected by the House of Commons if there are enough rebels in both major Parties willing to ignore a three-line whip. It will undoubtedly be rejected by the Lords, which will only give ammunition to those who either want to abolish it or convert it to an elected echo chamber of the House of Commons.

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After getting on for half a century, the EU is woven deep into our legal fabric, and there was never the remotest prospect of exiting without a whole raft of legislation being passed. In that sense Parliament was always going to have the final say, which makes the sideshow over article 50 particularly pointless and irritating. However, my understanding is that the Prime Minister has said that we will be leaving one way or the other, and if the deal is rejected then that simply means that we leave with no deal, not that we stay.

That prospect ought to concentrate minds, though with some politicians elected or otherwise you wonder whether that process is even possible for them. Overall I expect the deal, assuming it is reasonable at least, to pass the Commons with protest mainly taking the form of abstentions rather than negative votes, and get through the Lords even if narrowly and following a lot of pointless posturing. Most of the Lords at least know which side their bread is buttered, and that defying the will of both the elected House and the people expressed in a referendum would have ill consequences for them and their well-paid sinecures.
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I hope you're right, Peter!
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The British Supreme Court has ruled that Parliament must approve triggering Article 50 before the government can begin talks with the E.U. on leaving the Union.  The ruling has also said that the Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh legislatures did not need to do so.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38720320

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/article-50-ruling-does-mean-brexit-happens-next/

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