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DavidV

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https://quillette.com/2018/08/11/do-britains-muslims-have-a-right-not-to-be-offended/

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/08/muslim-woman-i-back-boris-calls-face-veil-anti-western/

Boris Johnson is in hot water because of his mockery of certain aspects of Islamic dress code, provoking outrage even within his own party as well as vocal members of Britain's Muslim community.

However, contrast this to the fact that Jeremy Corbyn and his Labour supporters seem to get away with their odious association with anti-Semitism. He is still in charge of the party and they continue their unsavoury associations.

It's quite revealing, really, of the extent that Islamist political activism has penetrated in not only Britain but all of the English-speaking world. The most dangerous Islamists are not terrorists, but allegedly non-violent activists and public figures who seek advancement of their agenda. The use of the term "Islamophobia" was coined specifically to achieve this end, by virtue of smearing its critics. Witness the outrage over anything deemed offensive to Muslims or any other minority group, yet a lack of interest in real persecution of minorities around the world.

The lunatic fringe Far Right and some online reactionaries, including some who have passed through this forum or have interacted with some of our community on social media, have a fixation with "Jews" and "Zionists". Who, they claim, control the West and are subverting it. But we can see how utterly bogus their claims are, in light of what we are seeing now. It isn't "Jews" or "Zionists" who are a pernicious, malign influence on Western democracies, it's increasingly the Islamists and their Left allies.

Postcolonialism and identity politics has both local and international aspects. On the international front, it takes the form of anti-Western, anti-imperialist and Third Worldist discourse which leads to Left support for regimes like Zimbabwe, Cuba, Venezuela and Iran. On the domestic front, it takes the form of victimhood, "white guilt" and the entire race relations industry. Muslim activists are simply the latest and the most successful of these, largely following the trend began with black American activism in recent decades. Likewise, indigenous activism in North America and Australia follows a similar line.

Islamists rapaciously exploit racial controversies in Western societies, even where Muslims are not involved, to advance their goals. This is typified by Muslim activists like Linda Sarsour, Waleed Aly, Osman Faruqi, Yassmin Abdel-Magied and others.

That Canada recently picked a fight with Saudi Arabia also sums up the bankruptcy of liberalism. Justin Trudeau has actively pushed a crackdown on "Islamophobia" in Canada, while claiming to champion "human rights". He's allowed the Muslim Brotherhood to gain influence in Canada, while it and its affiliates like CAIR are being banned in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Political Correctness of this sort has assumed an even more menacing form in the English-speaking world with the synthesis of Leftist and Islamist currents in opposition to Western Civilisation.

A last word here is my sincere hope that our Royal Family can see who their enemies are, and not be seen as appeasing these interest groups. They cannot be seen as being on the wrong side of the Culture Wars, despite some very serious and legitimate concerns.
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There's a detailed and balanced discussion here of the question of women's apparel within Islam. As usual with any religious text, the Koranic passages relied on are vague, abstruse and capable of numerous interpretations. What is clear is that it is perfectly arguable that the face covering, the most controversial element, is not in any way specifically required and it would be in every way reasonable to say that a woman can dress fully in accordance with the texts with her face uncovered. The only justification for insisting on it I can see is that it goes well beyond what is demanded, thus there can be no question as to whether the Koran's requirements are met.

Orthodox Jews do a similar thing, referred to as 'building a fence around the Torah', but as far as I know Muslim scholars do not use that argument. Anyway it is not a sufficient justification for a practice so questionable. Moving on to Boris, as so often with him reasonable comments were made a hostage to fortune by injudicious and tactless remarks appended to them. What he actually said was to the effect that the full garb is dehumanising and oppressive, but nevertheless it would not be right on civil liberties grounds to prohibit it. I agree with the first, not so sure about the second. Then, Boris being Boris, out came the 'bank robber' and 'letterbox' remarks. True, but Boris, surely you will have learned by now that these statements would be seized on and outrage whipped up, while the substance of what you said was ignored? And that Labour would fall on the affair with glad cries, as a much-needed distraction from its anti-Semitism storm?

But Boris does not learn, it seems. All so unnecessary. I do excuse him from what otherwise would seem unforgivable discourtesy towards a particular group of women, as you can hardly be said to be insulting a woman's appearance when the whole problem is that no one apart from her male owner is permitted to see her appearance. I do not, however, excuse him from idiocy. Finally, reading around this issue I have seen several claims that 'very few' British women wear the burqa. This is technically true but nevertheless deliberately disingenuous. What is generally thought of as a burqa is actually a niqab, covering everything bar the eyes. A burqa covers the eyes too with a gauze mask. It's extremely rare to see that, but to see the niqab common. Much too common for it to be only a minuscule minority that wear it, compelled or otherwise.
DavidV

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I notice Corbyn's support for terrorists and Holocaust deniers is still conspicuously ignored:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6051125/amp/Pictured-Day-Jeremy-Corbyn-gave-speech-wedding-alleged-Holocaust-denier.html?__twitter_impression=true
DavidV

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Corbyn-esque contempt for the Jewish community surfaces in Australia too:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/nsw-muslim-mp-shaquoett-moselmane-blocks-vic-alhadeff-from-labor-event/news-story/2a76ae1b71e6444838cb880194bbe92f?nk=65a150aa7d8f722f07e78d97ed12a99a-1534227500&memtype=anonymous
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I pretty much agree with Peter. There is a good argument the full face covering is not required in Islamic law, and it is dehumanising (unlike the headscarf). That said, I wouldn't ban it.

I do wonder whether even Boris's somewhat ill-advised, if colourful, descriptions would hurt him that much. Who is really an enthusiastic defender of the full face covering? Only the hard left and Islamicists are really that worked up about it. The right and the middle, and perhaps even the centre-left (even if grudgingly) are more likely to sympathise with Boris.

On the double standards involved, I have often wondered, when I have seen left-liberals strongly moved to defend women's rights to wear the veil, whether they would act in the same way if it were a Christian custom. I have a shrewd suspicion that not a few would be opposed to the veil, even to the point of wishing to see it banned, in that case.
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At the bottom of it is moral relativism and identity politics. The Left believes that we should somehow refrain from criticism of anything relating to non-Western culture and people. In truth, the Left and Islamists are in an unholy alliance in pursuit of absolute control of society.
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More Jeremy Corbyn terror links:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6069013/amp/Corbyn-faces-fresh-questions-links-terrorists-pictures-emerge-plane-hijacker.html?__twitter_impression=true
DavidV

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Fans of Corbyn include Nick Griffin and David Duke:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/24/jeremy-corbyn-praised-nick-griffin-former-kkk-leaderafter-video/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_fb
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