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royalcello

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Yes, the republicans are partying. I can hear them. At least I assume they're republicans. I think I will shut the window soon. But my friend Nicolas who is showing me around is a good royalist and I will meet some royalist friends of his this weekend. We are going to Versailles tomorrow.
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Be sure to yell at Anish Kapoor's ridiculous statue of Marie Antoinette's genitalia![wave]

Hey, yell at the idiot artist too if you see him.
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Contra,

It would nice if KYMonarchist argued for his socially liberal positions more, rather than just assert them and posted slogans, and there is some question if a complete social liberalism and egalitarianism, as he seems to embrace, is fully compatible with monarchism, but if he is a monarchist and can ignore the possible contradictions in his own positions then I don't see why he wouldn't be welcome here.

Peter has exiled himself to one part of the forum, but I wouldn't call him a social liberal anyhow. He always struck me as more of a social and cultural moderate in contemporary terms. Most of the board are either conservative or moderate. 

  I don't see what is wrong with the presence of monarchists of many different types. As I said there is a good case for saying monarchism demands a degree of anti-egalitarianism and social and cultural conservatism. But that seems the sort of discussion to have here, not one we need pre-empt by ruling out certain people as monarchists.
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Obviously the forum is not dying, even if it's not what everyone would like it to be.

Welcome back, CTEQR. I thought you'd dropped off the face of the internet. Ironically given your avatar and allegiance I'm the one who's actually in France (Paris) at the moment, having just arrived today from England.


Thanks, Theodore.  It's nice to be back here.  I wish I were in Paris !  Let us know how your trip went.

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I think I have more sympathy and understanding for the traditionalist Catholic counterrevolutionary approach to monarchism than you give me credit for; I just wish you could acknowledge that one can share your worldview and recognize all current de facto European sovereigns, as many of my Catholic monarchist friends do.


Well, I recognise some.  I don't think I could recognise all merely because they are reigning de facto.  If that were the case, then there would seem to be no point in reigning de jure.  The only law would be the law of accomplished facts.  Might would be right.

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While there are valid arguments for the sort of monarchy in which the monarch actually rules the country…


That is some awfully faint praise, it would seem.

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…there are also valid arguments for the person who represents the country symbolically not being the same person who must make controversial decisions.


Maybe, but that would mean that one's polity is so rotten that the people cannot even endure ordered rule, in which case one should almost be at war with said people for the sake of the common good.  The people can either sink alone or sink with a crown pinned on top of them.  But if they are not ruled, one way or another, there's the same result.

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I certainly do not accept that forbidding pointless succession disputes regarding current constitutional monarchies constrains monarchist discussion in any real way.


Well, how far would you have the current monarchs go in their accommodation of rotten polities ?  It seems that they must have no principles except for manners and a certain lip service for tradition (which is belied by the laws they sign).  Is there any limit ?  I think that otherwise they would be dethroned and they would find themselves as retired citizens in a republic.  In which case, what real purpose do they actually serve ?  If anything, they only cement the disorder further by putting a stamp of Old World certification on it.

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A link to this legal document, Contra? And of course I'm operating under the assumption that this is written down.


It is not written down in any particular place.  I thought I had read a declaration in regards to the customary succession laws published by Louis XV on Guy Stair-Santy's website, but I cannot find that now.

In any case, here is a summary of the Lois fundamentals du royaume :

http://www.chivalricorders.org/bourbon/france/frenlegt.htm

And more here :

http://www.viveleroy.fr/La-constitution-de-la-France

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And thanks for confirming that you would vote against a restoration of the French monarchy if you dislike the claimant.


The restoration of the French monarchy would only be truly the restoration of the monarchy if it was done according to the laws of that monarchy.  To subvert the fundamental juridical establishment of the monarchy in order to have a King is to simply create a new monarchy that takes the place of the former one, to which I am attached by bonds of gratitude to a benefactor, by fidelity, and a juridical bond.

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No, seriously, you say this has happened before, and proceed to give the example of the near-restoration of France's monarchy in 1873, saying you would repeat Henri V's actions, which I recall resulted in the victory of republicanism in France, a classic case of monarchists snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.


They did their duty and were faithful, and in that way the monarchy still has a hope to rise again.  If they were to allow the mob to change the fundamental character of the monarchy, it would already be dead.

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You would repeat this? Really? You would torpedo a restoration of France's monarchy when we nearly had won?! Do you even know how much damage that would do to the monarchist cause internationally?! We'd be set back decades at least. I find that situation unacceptable.


Nothing harms the principle of monarchy more than its subjection to the principles of democracy, liberalism, and atheism.  You would have a "French monarchy" restored that is nothing like the French monarchy.  It would be the bastard monarchy of Louis-Philippe, descendant of the regicide, but would dress in the clothes and language of the Kings of France.  I would have no part in such an outrage and insult to the throne that started with the pact made by Clovis with Saint Rémy, which restored the Western Roman Empire through Charlemagne.  The bastard monarchy of the orléanistes would not be the same august throne of Saint Louis and which was saved by the saintly Maid of Lorraine.  It might have a good claim for being the same throne as that held by Henry V of England, though -- the House of Orléans would succeed to an impostor throne, as they are impostors.

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John Freeman has apparently decided that CTEQR's "fascism" is so offensive to his tender sensibilities that he has quit the forum and deleted the thread he started, sending me an e-mail saying that "with this e-mail I conclude our interaction." Whatever. I don't know how I'll sleep at night.
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i haven't been active, even in the genealogical section, as I've been in hospital since April 16th, home at last today. I was taken in with severe pneumonia and was placed in an induced coma for 13 days to aid recovery. While in a coma a hospital procedure caused a blood clot to develop in my left arm, leading to parts of the fingers and palm of my left hand dying. Just to add to the fun, an attempt to warm the arm after the clot was removed caused severe burns to the forearm. I of course was oblivious to all this at the time but am living with the consequences now, as my left arm and hand are totally immobilised. In a couple of weeks I have to go back to hospital for surgery on the hand, which will involve amputating one finger which is almost entirely dead and removing the tips of the thumb and smallest finger, plus skin grafts to other areas. I am assured that after extensive physio I will regain almost fulll use of the hand, which will be a relief; until you have to do without your weak hand, you have no idea how many things are difficult or impossible one-handed. I mean, i can't even put my own socks on, or tie my shoelaces;' people will be coming daily to do those things for me.

I don't expect to be doing much until I do get use of my left hand back as typing one-handed is a pain, but thought I would just say on this thread that my absence of activity has not been due to loss of interest but rather to being in hospital for over two months with no internet access.
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Peter, that sounds horrible! I wish you the best with your struggle.
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I also wish you best of luck Peter. You go to a hospital to get better and they make it worse, what a shame!


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Take care of yourself, Peter, and best wishes for your recovery.
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I...wow. Those doctors should be fed to Uruguayan zombies for this horrific incident of malpractice! On the bright side, you ought not to have to pay a single penny for this. B/c this is the worst attempt at providing medical care I've ever heard of! Thank goodness you're alright! Best wishes for your recovery![thumb]
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It's free anyway, we have Socialist medicine over here. Apart from the unfortunate damage to my hand and arm I cannot fault the care I received, and at least they cured the pneumonia which otherwise would undoubtedly have killed me. I will be taking some sort of action just the same but am awaiting the results of an internal inquiry into how it all happened, Thanks everyone for all the good wishes; I am very weak due to all that time in bed, even moving about my flat has me out of breath, but the strength and stamina will come back with time and exercise. Otherwise fine and glad to be home and back in touch with people.
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Ah that's just awful Peter. Apart from the being cured of pneumonia thing. I hope you recover soon.
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I wish you a speedy recovery, Peter. It sounds as if you've had quite the ordeal.
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Peter, I'm sorry to hear all of that.  I will pray for a swift and full recovery for you.
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