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With the 'message' and 'change' following this year's elections in the US, is there any chance at all for the 'new plan' to include a restoration of the Monarchy and parliamentary democracy?

I would hope so, as a strong central figure acceptable to all sides and devolved local government may be the only 'way to win'.




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Why would the US gov't want to do something like that?  They see monarchies as useless... unless they rule a land with alot of oil.

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Why would the US gov't want to do something like that?  They see monarchies as useless... unless they rule a land with alot of oil.


That would include Iraq,,,,,And I was thinking more along the lines of it worked for the British the First time (for a while with Iraq and Iran, and its still working in Jordan).

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You sure the Iraqis want a monarchy?  Many believe the previous one was a just a puppet monarchy for US and British interests.

The Iraqis will know.

I meant monarchies already in place that have oil, not a monarchy being placed after conquering a land with oil.


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It wouldnt work even if there was a succsesful monarchist restoration the Iraqis would quickly fall back into their old ways of unofficial civil war. Keep in mind there are three groups in Iraq that all hate each other, Iraq wouls share the fate of Yugoslavia if such a thing happened. I happen to think it'll happen anyway, but if monarchists are to work towards a resoration it should be in a country where the monarchy has serious potential to last in order to use such a monarchy as the example of why monarchy is good.

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I have no idea if there is domestic support for a restoration in Iraq, in fact I don't know how I'd find that out.

I was just curious, it seemed worth a thought, you know, every chance to give Monarchy a try (especially when the republic idea doesn't seem to working).......




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Its too bad that whenever Monarchy is mentioned, the only thing that comes to mind to the Americans is tyrants or Disney.

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Iraq Dynasty: Hachémite.

History: Iraq, old Turkish possession, reaches autonomy in 1922 pennies British mandate. In 1921, a referendum had indicated Faïçal, third son of the Sherif of Mecque, the dynasty of Hachémite, as king of Iraq with more than 96% of the votes.

 

Faïçal 1st was not an unknown. It is indeed him which, at the sides of legendary Lawrence of Arabia had seized Damas in 1918 and had been proclaimed king de Syrie before being driven out of its throne by the French.

 

An independence will negotiate which will be effective in 1932, that is to say one year before the death of Faïçal. His son, Ghazi, succeed to him then but  die in a car accident in 1939 leaving a four years old heir, Faïçal II.

 

Iraq will cross the second world war in a chaotic way, with a pro-German government which will deposit the regent, Abd Ul Ilah, and will off-set small Faïçal II in Kurdistan before an English task force does come to give from the order.

 

Crowned for its 18 years, in 1953, Faïçal II will not benefit a long time from the throne. July 14, 1958, a republican military coup d'etat carried out by the Kassem General reverses monarchy. Faïçal II, his wife and the ex-regent are assassinated in their palace by the putchists.

 

Since, coups d'etat in coups d'etat, Iraq lives under an authoritative republican system...

 

Policy: The Iraqi monarchists remained a long time prostrate. Struck so much by the brutal end of the last king than by the repression of the various military dictatorships. Today two applicants, one and another nephews of the last king, dispute the quite hypothetical Iraqi throne.

 

On a side prince Maamoun Abd Al-Rahmann Al-Naisan exiled in Jordan and supported by the king Hussein II of Jordan, and other, prince Ali Ben Hussein.

 

The first founded a Iraqi Hashemite Alliance, and the second created since its London exile the Iraqi Constitutional Monarchy Movement in the 1980'es.

 

The war of the Gulf instigated its activities and created an undeniable dash of international popularity in its favour, in particular near the Americans. In 1992, nineteen Iraqi political parties of opposition one created one Assembles national in exile made up of 234 members and equipped with an executive with seven members, the Iraqi National Council, among which head office Ali Ben Hussein. It is for this reason that it was received twice by the American vice-president Al Gore, in 1998 and in 2000.

 

The overthrow of Saddam Hussein by the Anglo-American coalition did not bring any stability to the country. A king rassemblor could play this part. But is American favorable there? Does ambient chaos allow it? The fights enter factions Shiites, sunnists or baassists, authorize do a recourse monarchists?... A total negative answer seems to be given by the Iraqi voters in 2005 with the failure of the two royalist lists in competition: 

 

Elections (2005): 13.740 votes for the ICMM/Ali Ben Hussein (0,17%) and 9.781 votes for the IHA/Maamoun Abd Al-Rahmann Al-Naisan (0,12%). No seat.

 

Iraqi Constitutional Monarchy Movement 

http://www.iraqcmm.org/

 

Iraqi Hashemite Alliance (no site ?)

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Herbertgaston,
Thank you very much for the background.  I was unaware of the Prince supported by Jordan,  that might actually be workable as part of an 'area wide consensus'.  The vote was very disappointing, but if the choices were limited to 'stay the course' or 'crown the King', the votes might come in differently, both in Iraq and the US.



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