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Ponocrates

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Do these prophecies change how you conduct your life - would you do anything differently?   All of this seems highly speculative and will not be proven one way or the other, especially in our life time.   Although you probably think we are living in a special time.   Meh.  It's not so special.  

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Ah, Peter, you do me proud.
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I couldn't have said it better!


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Do these prophecies change how you conduct your life - would you do anything differently?   All of this seems highly speculative and will not be proven one way or the other, especially in our life time.   Although you probably think we are living in a special time.   Meh.  It's not so special.  

No. It is an interest of mine however. I hope to see it all be fulfilled in my lifetime. To me it seems that scripture is suggesting that we are on the brink of it all. I guess if you view scripture liberally then yes you might see this as all speculative. But if you view scripture conservatively then things are all adding up, and it is possible that it will happen in our lifetime. If not in our lifetime then maybe in our grandchildren's lifetime.
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There is no reason to think these Patristic quotes are authentic unless you can find a primary source (the actual work the Patristic writer wrote). All of the Patristic quotes listed so far seem very anachronistic. And I would suggest staying clear of the supposed theologian Ronald Conte.
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I fully accept the validity and sanctity of Revelations, and I believe that Daniel was divinely inspired.  However, as others here have pointed out, the imagery of these books are so subject to interpretation that I would not hazard to set down how exactly these prophesies are to be fulfilled.  I am not convinced at all that the Holy Book predicts that a Roman Catholic noble scion of the House of Bourbon is going to rise up in the near future and be swept to power over all of Europe, the Middle and Near East including North Africa.

Back in the nineties I was watching extremely late night television and saw a tele-evangelist and his wife who had a newscast type show devoted to the coming apocalypse.  Dressed in anchorman and anchorwoman style, with gleeful expressions on thier faces they predicted the immenent end of the world, the comming rapture, and even announced that their biblical research had led them to identify the antichrist (they said he was the head of the European Commision, Jaques Delors).  They came up with multiple biblical passages to justify their beliefs.  They were also of the opinion that the "Whore of Babylon" was the Church of Rome.  It was like a trainwreck, not really something you wanted to watch but yet couldn't tear your eyes away from.

I caution you from thinking that any biblican prophesy can be defined and interpreted in such a manner.


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I hate to point to the example of David Koresh, who thought he had the key to Revelation.  Unless I'm mistaken, hasn't the RCC generally downplayed Apocalyptic literature, at least since Augustine?  I think it would be useful to ask why someone is motivated to research this?  Almost always it seems that the person wants to feel they have inside knowledge that excessively downplays and holds in contempt the world around them, to elevate their role to a cosmic scale, and to form a tight-knit group of those who believe the same prophecies, which tends to cut them off from others.   In my opinion, it seems unhealthy and not conducive to long-term happiness.  Of course, I'm not saying this is necessarily the case of Infinity Lord, but I hope he is getting out and enjoying some of the spring weather we're having here.

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I met with some friends the other night, and one of them was telling me about a biography he had been reading of the famously curmudgeonly cricketer Fred Trueman. He though a misanthrope was witty with it, and my friend said he had particularly savoured a reported remark of Trueman's about another famously curmudgeonly cricketer, Geoffrey Boycott: "He could have ridden with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and not noticeably improved the mood."

Just thought I'd share that. It went without saying at the church I attended in youth that the Roman Church was the Whore of Babylon. Well no it didn't, it got said quite a lot actually, but that was only to confirm what everyone already knew. A personal plea; I try to be a tolerant and equable sort of pedant, but some things push me over the edge. Can people please remember that it is Revelation. Singular. No s. It causes me something akin to physical pain when people speak of Revelations.
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Fixed.

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Thanks. It wasn't just you, it was the two in a row that got to me.
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I hate to point to the example of David Koresh, who thought he had the key to Revelation.  Unless I'm mistaken, hasn't the RCC generally downplayed Apocalyptic literature, at least since Augustine?  I think it would be useful to ask why someone is motivated to research this?  Almost always it seems that the person wants to feel they have inside knowledge that excessively downplays and holds in contempt the world around them, to elevate their role to a cosmic scale, and to form a tight-knit group of those who believe the same prophecies, which tends to cut them off from others.   In my opinion, it seems unhealthy and not conducive to long-term happiness.  Of course, I'm not saying this is necessarily the case of Infinity Lord, but I hope he is getting out and enjoying some of the spring weather we're having here.

Many Catholics will tell you to take the prophecies with a grain of salt. They will also tell you to take Ronald Conte with a grain of salt. I mainly use his book because there are a lot of the prophecies in it. Conte is really like a modern Nostradamus. He made predictions in his book...some of which have shown to have been off.

Regardless of the prophecies, I don't see how anyone could reject the concept of the "Great Monarch" given that it is scriptural.
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Not to revive this topic again, but I was incorrect. The earliest version of this prophecy was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiburtine_Sibyl and then was later revived by the Apocalypse of Methodios in the 8 th century.
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I don't know what to say. You have you King talking to you now, but you won't even regard his posts.  You really can't get much dumber than that as history will show here shortly. You look like fools.
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cusack, which King are you claiming to be again?
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I think he's the real King Louis XX (Don't tell Don Luis Alfonso). 

If he thought we would be devastated and offended by being told that we "look like fools", he doesn't realize that we have gone way beyond that already.  We've been called "daughters of didi" after all.

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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Im the 50- th degree from Louis XVII. Louis XVII is my grand father's grand father's father. 
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