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Although the process is far from complete, happy British Independence Day!
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For the first time in my life I wish my UK friends a Happy Independance Day, and to you specifically. Enjoy your day and keep making Britain Great!
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Happy UK Independence Day!
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Happy independence day. you were brave enough to do it.
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The post I made on Facebook one year ago today:

Rather than posting hither and yon on friends' and groups' pages, let me make one post here. WE WON! I had been up all night, posting #BREXIT links on Facebook. I walked up to the pub, shortly before the polling closed. About half an hour later I checked on my Kindle and saw the 'results'. I was gutted!!!

A friend bought me a whiskey to help me 'drown my sorrows'. I came home, told the fellow I care for what had happened, and fell asleep in my chair, but not before starting to create a 'tombstone meme' showing the date of Britain's death.

A few minutes ago, Tim rudely awoke me. As I began to give him a piece of my mind, he said, 'I woke you up to tell you YOU WON'!!!

I had planned a post pointing out how upset I was at the loss, to explain to my non-British friends, who've had no idea what I was obsessing about the last weeks, but instead, I'm over the moon!!!

As the polls opened, I posted. 'St George, St Andrew, St Patrick and St David, pray for your people. Cry--God for Elizabeth, Britain and Freedom!' For those who don't believe, I say nah, nah, nah!!! LOL!

I am so happy, I have tears in my eyes! God Bless Britain, and God save the Queen! HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY, BRITAIN!!!


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I hate it when the Brexiteer crowd refer to the EU referendum as an "Independence Day." Firstly it seems to be symptomatic of a tendency on the part of the British Right to abandon the defence of British values in favour of imitating the Yanks at every opportunity. Secondly it denigrates our nation by implying that we ever lost our sovereignty. Independence days are for countries for whom not being a colony anymore is a substantial accomplishment. We're a nation of conquerors, not insurgents- why would be want to be perceived as victims? We don't need an independence day, and I for one don't want an independence day. Besides, we are still part of the bloody EU.
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I don't entirely disagree, but we have/had lost a lot of de facto sovereignty. The COREPER passes more laws and regulations for Britain than parliament does. And the EU is bent on becoming a quasi-superstate. So, whilst the phrase independence day here is a little tongue-in-cheek, it does capture an important truth about the EU and our relationship to it that the remainers almost entirely skirt over or dismiss.


I certainly wouldn't want the day officially celebrated this way. Maybe just Cromwell's statue pulled down and replaced with Farage's and Boris's (and May's?). [wink]
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I'm with VivatReginaScottorum on this one.   Britain has a long history as an independent realm.  To call this "Independence Day" belittles this long history, and also belittles the independence days of other countries who did throw off an actual foreign yoke.  Britain voluntarily joined what was essentially a Treaty Organization, and is voluntarily leaving it now.  Nothing more nothing less.

Couldn't you just use something like "Liberation Day" if drama is required, or even "Brexit Day"?  The words "Independence day really rankles for a country as old and as great as the United Kingdom.

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Wouldn't liberation day have much the same meaning? I don't think Brexit day shows quite how important it was. It is no exaggeration to say that had we lost that referendum it would have probably meant the end of an independent and sovereign Britain sooner or later. The inexorable gathering of powers and influence in Brussels, usurped from us, according to the Monnet Method, would have gone on. Perhaps the whole thing would have fallen apart, or failed at some later stage, but the matter was very serious. We actually got our country back ( assuming it the chance is not now squandered) in a way I had never expected even a few months previously (indeed, I had thought the referendum a foolish gamble that would have shut down much debate for a generation, and probably ended any chance we had of not be swallowed up).   It truly was a day worth celebrating; the sort day you remember what you did and tell your grandchildren. And reflecting on it this way, actually makes me think that the term independence day is not entirely disproportionate. What should rankle is what Heath, Major, Blair, and Cameron did to us. Maybe sovereignty day would be a good name for it. There is nothing overdramatic about that name. It is reasonably accurate.

Perhaps you and Viva don't realise just how much sovereignty and control we had lost, and how much we stood to lose. Only Gordon Brown saved us from joining the Euro the first-time around, for example. If the Blair creature had had his way, we would have joined, to much support from left-liberal press and establishment (Andrew Marr, for example, advocated it as the obvious and common sense step).  Sooner or later the demands for us to join the Euro would have started again. The way the EU works, a major member sitting outside the Eurozone wouldn't have been acceptable in the long-term. As always, I strongly recommend Booker and North's The Great Deception as a thorough introduction to the EU and Britain's relationship to it.
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Were the SNP to get their way in Indyref # whatever (which I hope will never happen), no doubt Scotland would thereafter celebrate the date as its Independence Day. But Scotland has always been sovereign and independent. Since 1707 its independence and sovereignty have been subsumed in a larger entity, as indeed have those of England, but those qualities remained, just as Britain remained sovereign and independent within the European Union. All treaties and alliances trammel the exercise of sovereignty to some extent, but the ability to do this is an essential quality of a sovereign nation or entity. A lawless pariah among nations such as North Korea cannot voluntarily subject itself in this way, as it can never be trusted and therefore no one will make agreements with it. Men can only be free within a network of law, and nations are just the same. I therefore consider calling the referendum date Independence Day or any variation thereof to be a category error.

My belief was that on balance remaining in the EU no longer served the interests of the British people, not that I am sure it ever did. I therefore voted to leave and was happy about the result, albeit with a certain amount of trepidation which remains to be resolved and indeed was inflamed by the disastrous election result. I am still hopeful that all will turn out well and do not regret the process having begun. But, as Ethiomonarchist said, what happened was that we, a free nation, decided to remove ourselves from a voluntary bond by methods provided within that bond. Had we instead remained, it would still have been as a free nation.
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It is certainly true that we have never lost de jure sovereignty.

But I think that to talk of the EU as a treaty misses something important. The EU was a looming threat for our future sovereignty and independence. As it is, it already exercises vast power and influence, to the point where more laws and regulations for Britain start in the COREPER than parliament. It has extended its influence over many areas of government and civil society, suborning many MPs and the civil service. It pays for positions on larger local authorities and in various universities to spread support for the EU project. Similar influence is cultivated with important NGOs. This meant that Brexit was basically our only chance at freedom from the EU.

Now, it is a little simplistic to talk of the EU as having one end or goal, except to inexorably take more and more power and influence. But many of those who have guided the EU's development have been committed to a united states of Europe. All heads of the commission and its predecessors, from Monnet to Juncker, have been committed federalists. Through inexorable integration the EU is likely to achieve much of the goal of the federalists. Indeed, this was precisely why the early Europhiles, such as Monnet and the pivotal Action Committee for a United States of Europe, decided this was a better method than being upfront about their federal goal. Without Brexit we were left with no real way of leaving the EU.

This all is why Brexit was very important, and why it isn't entirely wrong to talk about regaining independence. If it is illegitimate to talk about independence, then another term that expresses the gravity of what occurred is needed.

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Although the process is far from complete, happy British Independence Day!


I'm sorry to say this, but I don't trust Teresa May or any of her party leaders. According to David Noakes, former UKIP politician, ALL the leaders of Britain's political parties have been bought and paid for by the European Commission, including Nigel Farage, and even BNP leader Nick Griffin. Noakes appears to have left UKIP. He claims that if the government really wants to leave the the EU, they should revoke all the Acts of Parliament which link us to the EU. This has not been done. British people are far too trusting- they really need to wake up and take back control of their country- from the politicians , not just the EU. It was pedophile Edward Heath who got Britain into this mess in the first place. Noakes claims that native English may be a minority within England by 2030. Mass immigration is  all part of the EU plan to destroy nation states, so that they can create ONE European mixed race nation. You can't bring about a European state so long as nationalism exists. Very sad all of this, my parents were both loyal WW2 veterans- they would die  a second time if they could see Britain today. The mass gang-rape of English schoolgirls by Asian grooming gangs is a national outrage, the fact that the British Police knew about it for 20 years, but kept quiet- is treason in my opinion. Some  sort of revolution needs to happen in the U.K. 
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The idea that the European Commission would be paying Nick Griffin and Farage just made my day. I suppose that if you are going to spread conspiracy theories you might as well make them funny, but that doesn't change that they are a pack of lies. As for your call for a revolution, we all know how these have affected monarchies in the past, don't we?
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The idea that the European Commission would be paying Nick Griffin and Farage just made my day. I suppose that if you are going to spread conspiracy theories you might as well make them funny, but that doesn't change that they are a pack of lies. As four your call for a revolution, we all know how these have affected monarchies in the past, don't we?


You are very naive my friend. Europe's monarchies are finished- they have no future, trust me. They will only survive so long as the loyal native white population remains a majority- this will not be the case in forty years time. You are seeing the last of old Europe. The royals know it - as well as I do. All civilizations come to an end- Europe has had it's day. marxism and feminism have ruined it all. The last population census revealed that only 40% of British households are headed by a  married couple. What more can I  say. 
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Honestly, Dom, I wouldn't mind the garbage you come up with half so much if it wasn't always such disgusting garbage. Can't you keep your racism, xenophobia and conspiracy-theory craziness in check? Just now and then, for a post or two? So some fruitcake for whom even UKIP wasn't zany enough proclaims that all Britain's leaders are in the pay of the European Commission. Ninety-nine people out of a hundred would dismiss it without a second thought, if indeed they required a first. You, unfortunately, are the 100th. The reason all the legislation linking us to the EU hasn't been repealed is we are still members, and will be until 2019 at least, and therefore under continuing legal obligations. Which anyone with claims to be taken seriously on the question would know; this is not, obviously, a category to which David Noakes belongs. As for Europe's monarchies, none of them is under any threat and they will be around long after you and I are not.
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