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Praying that it's Cardinal Burke, and he picks the name Pius XVIII


So you wanted Cardinal Burke to skip the numbers XIII thru XVII? Any reason why?



Yes, I'm curious as well!

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Praying that it's Cardinal Burke, and he picks the name Pius XVIII


So you wanted Cardinal Burke to skip the numbers XIII thru XVII? Any reason why?



Yes, I'm curious as well!



I'm sure that was just a typo on Aaron's part.  Here is a mistake on a bigger scale ...

http://news.yahoo.com/italian-bishops-thank-god-wrong-pope-122444174.html


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Praying that it's Cardinal Burke, and he picks the name Pius XVIII


So you wanted Cardinal Burke to skip the numbers XIII thru XVII? Any reason why?



Yes, I'm curious as well!



I'm sure that was just a typo on Aaron's part.  Here is a mistake on a bigger scale ...

http://news.yahoo.com/italian-bishops-thank-god-wrong-pope-122444174.html



ROFL! That's the Dewey defeats Truman moment of the Italian bishops! At least they corrected it within the hour, though.
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Out of all 266 Popes, 204 have been Italian. And 202 of the 264 individuals to serve as Pope have been Italian. (Pope Benedict IX is counted thrice.) Pope Francis is the sixth non-Italian to become Pope since 1378 and the end of the Avignon Papacy. He also marks the first time since the Avignon Papacy, when 7 Frenchmen in a row were Pope, that there have been three consecutive non-Italian popes.

Yes, everybody, that's 76% of all popes being Italian. Really.
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Well, Francis is the first Argentinian Pope, and the first from the New World, and so for statistical purposes, he's a non-Italian. But his ethnicity is still Italian, as his father was born in the Piedmont Province of northern Italy, and while his mother was born in Buenos Aires, her family is of Italian Piedmontese descent. A large percentage of Argentina's population has some Italian ethnicity.
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The new Pope, I've read, backs Argentina's "claim" to the Falkland Islands. Well, he's wrong.
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Even though he's infallible ?    (Just Joking !)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21812545

The new pope would apparently like a poor Church, for the poor. He also apparently picked the name Francis after a Brazilian cardinal told him not to forget about the poor, at the last minute having already been elected.
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God save Pope Francis, Vicar of Christ!

I must say, I'm really pleased by this choice. Benedict was a good Pope and set a nice theologically-conservative trend which I'm glad to see is being continued; and it seems Pope Francis is well-focused on issues like social justice which have received little love lately.

I am of course somewhat disappointed by his simple stance on regalia and such but ultimately think his focus on the spiritual rather than political side of the Church is a good thing for the immediate future. 

KYMonarchist you seem somewhat irked...

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But "social justice" when interpreted the way most modern people do has a dangerous slippery slope which runs contrary to all we hold dear. Keep in mind the extent of Leftist penetration of the Church in Latin America has done great harm to it. By all accounts, Pope Francis is not in that category. We'll wait and see.
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God save Pope Francis, Vicar of Christ!

I must say, I'm really pleased by this choice. Benedict was a good Pope and set a nice theologically-conservative trend which I'm glad to see is being continued; and it seems Pope Francis is well-focused on issues like social justice which have received little love lately.

I am of course somewhat disappointed by his simple stance on regalia and such but ultimately think his focus on the spiritual rather than political side of the Church is a good thing for the immediate future. 

KYMonarchist you seem somewhat irked...


Pope Francis strikes me as a very proud man. Proud of his 'humility'. True humility would be to accept the emblems of office even if they went against his own inclinations. The 'trappings' are not meant to glorify the man, they are meant to lend dignity to the office the man holds. Blessed John XXIII did not like the sede gestatoria. When it was pointed out to him that his duty as Pope included riding in it he humbly accepted. I see none of this true humility in Pope Francis. He is so 'humble' he refuses the vestments of the Papacy. He is so 'humble' he wastes time paying his own hotel bill (there are more than a few problems in the Church he could be dealing with instead of making a public display of his false 'humility'). He is so 'humble' that he doesn't want the Cardinals to wear their appropriate garb when meeting with him. 

For those who have read C.S. Lewis' 'The Screwtape Letters', he deal with this sort of 'humility'. Satan loves it!

May God preserve His Church from the 'humble man'.

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But "social justice" when interpreted the way most modern people do has a dangerous slippery slope which runs contrary to all we hold dear. Keep in mind the extent of Leftist penetration of the Church in Latin America has done great harm to it. By all accounts, Pope Francis is not in that category. We'll wait and see.


Having said what I said in the previous post, I think, based on what I've read, that Pope Francis is very much in the tradition of Popes Leo XIII and Pius XI when it comes to social justice. Also, on matters of sexual morality he stands four square for the infallible teaching of the Church, for which I thank God. 

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Teaching on morals is generally not infallible. I must admit to having had a few of the thoughts you expressed in your first post above, though I wouldn't have put them so severely. If ostentatious humility is the Pope's worst fault, that wouldn't be so bad. I'm waiting to see whether it is, and hoping tp be pleasantly surprised by him. I do hope he realises that to take a hand in the Falklands issue as Pope would be as wrong as his views are, and would only damage him and the Church so far as this country is concerned, while doing nothing to change the status of the islands. On that, as on other things, we shall see.
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Having said what I said in the previous post, I think, based on what I've read, that Pope Francis is very much in the tradition of Popes Leo XIII and Pius XI when it comes to social justice. Also, on matters of sexual morality he stands four square for the infallible teaching of the Church, for which I thank God. 


I sincerely hope so. For me, it's the "social Catholicism" of 19th century Austria-Hungary and Germany and still strong in Poland today, ideally married to the principles of constitutional monarchy as it was in Bavaria and Austria, which represents the vision and order of society that I most desire. The climate within the Church must be conducive towards that goal.
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Teaching on morals is generally not infallible.


Whilst I agree with you on the Falklands question (cf. my opinions on Pius V's and Leo XIII's meddling in politics) it is the Dogma of the Catholic Church that the Pope, teaching on matters of Faith and Morals, is infallible.

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We teach and define that it is a dogma Divinely revealed that the Roman pontiff when he speaks ex cathedra, that is when in discharge of the office of pastor and doctor of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, by the Divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed that his Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals, and that therefore such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves and not from the consent of the Church irreformable.

So then, should anyone, which God forbid, have the temerity to reject this definition of ours: let him be anathema. (see Denziger §1839).


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