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Relationships of the heirs to the European sovereigns at the accession of King Philippe of Belgium, 21st July 2013
Heir/heiress apparentCharlesFrederikFelipeVictoriaAloisHaakonGuillaumeCaroline*C-AmaliaElisabeth
Charles (Great Britain)3c1r CIXD2c1r GIG4c VGB5c1r KLB3c E7GB3c2r CIXD5c1r KLB5c1r FW3P
5c1r PIR
3c2r CIXD
Frederik (Denmark)3c1r CIXD4c CIXD
4c VGB
2c GVIS5c2r MIB3c F8D3c1r F8D6c1r KFB
6c1r KLB
4c FFIIMS3c1r F8D
Felipe (Spain)2c1r GIG4c CIXD
4c VGB
4c F8SH
4c VGB
6c CIVS
6c FI2S
6c KLB

6c KLHL
6c LIIE
4c CIXD
4c VGB
4c1r CIXD6c KLB5c1r FLMS
5c1r FW3P
4c1r CIXD
Victoria (Sweden)4c VGB2c GVIS4c F8SH
4c VGB
5c2r MIB3c1r OIISN4c OIISN6c1r KFB
6c1r KLB
4c1r GVWP4c OIISN
Alois (Liechtenstein)5c1r KLB5c2r MIB6c CIVS
6c FI2S
6c KLB

6c KLHL
6c LIIE
5c2r MIB5c1r MIB4c MIP6c KLB6c1r KLHL4c1r MIP
Haakon (Norway)3c E7GB3c F8D4c CIXD
4c VGB
3c1r OIISN5c1r MIB2c1r CPSN7c1r LIXHD4c2r WDN2c1r CPSN
Guillaume (Luxembourg)3c2r CIXD3c1r F8D4c1r CIXD4c OIISN4c MIP2c1r CPSN5c1r KBa5c1r WDN2c L3B
Caroline (Monaco)*5c1r KLB6c1r KFB
6c1r KLB
6c KLB6c1r KFB
6c1r KLB
6c KLB7c1r LIXHD5c1r KBa7c1r LIXHD5c1r KBa
Catharina-Amalia (Netherlands)5c1r FW3P
5c1r PIR
4c FFIIMS5c1r FLMS
5c1r FW3P
4c1r GVWP6c1r KLHL4c2r WDN5c1r WDN7c1r LIXHD5c1r WDN
Elisabeth (Belgium)3c2r CIXD3c1r F8D4c1r CIXD4c OIISN4c1r MIP2c1r CPSN2c L3B5c1r KBa5c1r WDN
*Heiress presumptive          
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Key:  
CIVSCIXDCPSN
Carlos IV of Spain (1)Christian IX of Denmark (7)Prince Carl of Sweden and Norway (2)
E7GBF8DF8SH
Edward VII of Great Britain (1)Frederik VIII of Denmark (3)Friedrich VIII, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein (1)
FFIIMSFI2SFLMS
F Franz II, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1)Ferdinando I of the Two Sicilies (1)F Ludwig, HGD of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1)
FW3PGIGGVIS
Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia (2)George I of Greece (1)Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden (1)
GVWPKBaKFB
Georg Viktor, Prince of Waldeck & Pyrmont (1)Karl, Grand Duke of Baden (2)Karl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden (2)
KLBKLHLL3B
Karl Ludwig, Hereditary Prince of Baden (7)Karl Ludwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (2)Léopold III of Belgium (1)
LIIELIXHDMIB
Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor (1)Ludwig IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt (2)Maximilian I Joseph of Bavaria (3)
MIPOIISNPIR
Miguel I of Portugal (2)Oscar II of Sweden and Norway (3)Paul I Petrovitch of Russia (1)
VGBWDN 
Victoria of Great Britain and Ireland (4)Wilhelm, Duke of Nassau (3) 
Most connections formed:CIXD, KLB (7)VGB (4)F8D, MIB, OIISN, WDN (3)CPSN, FW3P, KBa, KFB, KLHL, LIXHD, MIP (2)Others (1)
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Combined statistics 6th February 1952-21st July 2013 part 1: A-F
CodeName195219721973197519891991200020052013-12013-22013-h
CIVSCarlos IV of Spain---11111111
CIXDChristian IX of Denmark76622233337
CPSNPrince Carl of Sweden and Norway, Duke of Västergötland-----122222
E7GBEdward VII of Great Britain-1111111111
F8DFrederik VIII of Denmark33333233333
F8SHFriedrich VIII, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein--1-------1
FFIIMSFriedrich Franz II, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin11111111111
FI2SFerdinando I of the Two Sicilies---11111111
FIIWFriedrich II Eugen, Duke of Württemberg1111111111-
FLMSFriedrich Ludwig, Hereditary GD of Mecklenburg-Schwerin---11111111
FrI2SFrancesco I of the Two Sicilies---1111111-
FW3PFriedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia22211-----2
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Combined statistics 6th February 1952-21st July 2013 part 2: G-K
CodeName195219721973197519891991200020052013-12013-22013-h
GIGGeorge I of Greece----------1
GVISGustaf VI Adolf of Sweden--111111111
GVWPGeorg Viktor, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont--111111111
JWFOJan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange2222222222-
KBaKarl, Grand Duke of Baden11111122222
KFBKarl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden22222222222
KLBKarl Ludwig, Hereditary Prince of Baden12355553337
KLHLKarl Ludwig, 3rd Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg-11-1111112
KNWKarl Christian, Prince of Nassau-Weilburg11---------
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Combined statistics 6th February 1952-21st July 2013 part 3: L-M
CodeName195219721973197519891991200020052013-12013-22013-h
L3BLéopold III of Belgium------11111
LIBLeopold I, Grand Duke of Baden1----------
LIIELeopold II, Holy Roman Emperor---11111111
LIXHDLudwig IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt65543322222
LPIFLouis-Philippe I of France---1112222-
MIBMaximilian I Joseph of Bavaria33333333333
MIPMiguel I of Portugal33333322222
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Combined statistics 6th February 1952-21st July 2013 part 4: O-Z
CodeName195219721973197519891991200020052013-12013-22013-h
OIISNOscar II of Sweden and Norway11111233333
OISNOscar I of Sweden and Norway21---------
PIRPaul I Petrovitch of Russia----------1
VGBVictoria of Great Britain and Ireland14777666664
WDNWilhelm, Duke of Nassau45444633333
WHCLandgrave Wilhelm of Hesse-Cassel433221-----
WIGWilhelm I of Germany11---------
WINWillem I of the Netherlands11111------
KYMonarchist

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Peter, please check post #20, you have Henri of Luxembourg as an impossible uncle there.[smile]
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Thanks, now fixed. I'm glad someone's paying attention! Though it evidently wasn't me when I last checked the chart. After I complete a row, I copy it transposed to the column for that sovereign. Usually that is that, but relationships of this kind do require that one little alteration, overlooked in this case.
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The accession today of King Felipe VI of Spain to the throne of his ancestors will produce mixed feelings among monarchists. Hope for a renewal of the Spanish monarchy and good wishes for his reign will be combined with regret that his father Juan Carlos I, who has done so much for the Spanish people, was forced, it would appear, to step down through a tawdry set of circumstances not all of his making.

I think the appearance is a little deceptive. If the former King were going to abdicate due to the scandals that have surrounded the royal family he would have done so before now. His own statement that at 76 and in poor health, having had to endure a whole series of operations, he felt it was time to hand the crown on to a younger generation, better able to connect with the Spain of today and help to take the country forward, has to me the ring of truth.

Either way, and as discussed elsewhere in the forum, today’s accession is the latest in a series of ‘irregular’ successions to the Spanish crown that dates from 1808. With a male-preference primogeniture system one would expect that in most cases son would follow father on the latter’s death, but now and then there would be an abdication or a daughter, sibling or other relative would succeed in the absence of a son. The last occurrence in Spain of the expected case was on 14th December 1788.*

Ignoring the one Bonaparte and one Savoy monarch of the 19th century, the six accessions since then were 1) Fernando VII succeeding on his father’s abdication; 2) the infant Isabella II succeeding on her father’s death, sparking a whole series of civil wars as the succession had been altered in her favour and against her uncle Infante Carlos; 3) Alfonso XII succeeding on the restoration of the crown and following his mother’s abdication; 4) Alfonso XIII acceding not upon his father’s death but on his own birth; 5) Juan Carlos I succeeding on the restoration of the crown, while his father who was never King still lived; and 6) today’s accession of Felipe VI on his father’s abdication.

But, while a quick mental survey of other realms that operate or have formerly operated male-preference primogeniture will show that the expected pattern does happen more often than not, that has never been so with the Spanish Bourbons. In fact, out of a total twelve accessions of a Bourbon in Spain, that 1788 succession of Carlos IV following the death of his father Carlos III was only the second of its kind, as well as the to date last. The previous five were; 1) Felipe V succeeding his great-uncle Carlos II, in pursuance of the terms of the latter’s will and following the renunciations of his father and elder brother; 2) Luis I succeeding upon his father’s abdication; 3) Felipe V returning to the throne on his son’s death; 4) Fernando VI succeeding on his father’s death; and 5) Carlos III succeeding on the childless death of his brother Fernando VI.

Felipe VI having two daughters but no sons, the next accession will in the expected order of things be that of Leonor I. The future Queen, though not for many years we trust, today became Princess of Asturias, Spanish custom being for that title to be borne by heirs or heiresses presumptive when there is no heir apparent. As the eldest child, though, Infanta Leonor would undoubtedly be heiress today even if she had a younger brother, as the succession law would have been altered to ensure it. Changing the Spanish constitution in which the law is enshrined is no easy matter, as indeed it ought not to be, and since now Queen Letizia seems unlikely at 42 to have further children the matter has been left alone.

Turning to the relationships in the chart below, the number of multiple relationships for the new King is notable, far more than for any other sovereign. His father has just two multiple relationships, being equally related through four different ancestors to Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein and through two to Henri of Luxembourg. The double relationship to the latter through 19th-century Catholic monarchs still exists for Felipe VI, of course, but has been superseded in the chart by a nearer relationship through a more recent Protestant sovereign, Christian IX of Denmark.

The reduction of two relationships to one for Luxembourg is compensated for by an increase from four to five for Liechtenstein§, and elsewhere all but two of his father’s single relationships have doubled up. The main reason for this is that Felipe VI is descended from both Queen Victoria and Christian IX, respectively three and two times. Of those five descents four, the two from Christian IX and two out of the three from Victoria, are all in the same degree (he being their respective 3 x great-grandson twice each, plus Victoria’s 4 x great-grandson once).

His father has a single descent from Victoria, accounting for his nearest relationship to four of the other nine sovereigns, and none from Christian IX. But of those four sovereigns three are Christian IX descendants also, and descended in the same degree from Victoria and Christian IX alike, as Felipe VI is twice apiece. This has caused most of the doubling up mentioned, Juan Carlos I’s relationship though Victoria being joined by a second relationship through Christian IX for Felipe VI. Actually it is rather more than doubling up, as you will see if you click the relevant red links. Harald V of Norway for example appears as a third cousin once removed through Victoria and Christian IX. The relationship actually occurs twice through Victoria and six times through Christian IX, making the two sovereigns third cousins once removed eight times in all.

The one of that four not descended from Christian IX, Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden, also doubles up through a different mutual ancestor of himself and his new fellow sovereign. Philippe of Belgium, who is not descended from Victoria but is from Christian IX, has a slightly nearer relationship to Felipe VI through him, fourth cousin, than that he enjoys to Juan Carlos I through Louis-Philippe of France.

Of the two sovereigns besides Hans-Adam II not descended from either Victoria or Christian IX, Albert II of Monaco shows just a one degree difference, as one would expect, and Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands has had his remote relationship to Juan Carlos I through Friedrich Ludwig, Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, supplemented by an equally remote relationship through Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia.

I have written at such length both because of the peculiar and interesting history of Spanish successions, which I thought worth recording, and because this particular succession is likely to be be almost the last of its kind in Europe; a new sovereign with two royal parents, related to other sovereigns in intricately different ways than his predecessor was (or in this case, is). Since that is what these charts are all about, it seemed worthwhile discussing it in some depth, even at the probable cost of wear and tear on people’s scrolling fingers. And now, to the chart.


* The system at that date was actually semi-Salic, changed in the new reign, although the revised law was not promulgated until the reign after. However, had male-preference primogeniture been in operation from the beginning the results would have been no different – apart from there being no Carlist Wars, of course, as Infante Carlos would then have had no basis of claim.

 The former was an alien imposed by force who was never accepted by the Spanish people. The latter was an alien freely elected who found the behaviour of Spanish politicians and the unrest among the people so unconscionable that he threw up his hands in despair and returned to Italy. In other words, an alien who never accepted the Spanish people.

 She would be the second Leonor to be a regnant Queen in Spain, but the previous example was Queen of Navarre, and Spanish sovereigns are numbered in succession to earlier monarchs of Castile, and before that León.

§ The Introduction thread post #28 explains why one of these is not linked in the chart.

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Relationships of the European sovereigns at the accession of King Felipe VI of Spain, 19th June 2014
Reigning monarchE IIM IIC XVI GH-A IIHarald VHenriAlbert IIW-APhilippeFelipe VI
Elizabeth II of Great Britain3c CIXD
3c VGB
3c VGB7c1r JWFO2c E7GB3c1r CIXD7c2r JWFO5c1r FIIW3c1r CIXD3c1r CIXD
3c1r VGB
Margrethe II of Denmark3c CIXD
3c VGB
1c GVIS4c2r MIB2c F8D2c1r F8D5c2r KFB3c FFIIMS2c1r F8D3c1r CIXD
3c1r VGB
Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden3c VGB1c GVIS4c2r MIB2c1r OIISN3c OIISN5c2r KFB3c1r GVWP3c OIISN3c1r F8SH
3c1r VGB
Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein7c1r JWFO4c2r MIB4c2r MIB4c1r MIB3c MIP5c1r KLB5c1r KLHL3c1r MIP5c1r CIVS
5c1r FI2S
5c1r KLB

5c1r KLHL
5c1r LIIE
Harald V of Norway2c E7GB2c F8D2c1r OIISN4c1r MIB1c1r CPSN7c LIXHD3c2r WDN1c1r CPSN3c1r CIXD
3c1r VGB
Henri of Luxembourg3c1r CIXD2c1r F8D3c OIISN3c MIP1c1r CPSN5c KBa4c1r WDN1c L3B4c CIXD
Albert II of Monaco7c2r JWFO5c2r KFB5c2r KFB5c1r KLB7c LIXHD5c KBa7c LIXHD5c KBa6c KLB
Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands5c1r FIIW3c FFIIMS3c1r GVWP5c1r KLHL3c2r WDN4c1r WDN7c LIXHD4c1r WDN5c FLMS
5c FW3P
Philippe of Belgium3c1r CIXD2c1r F8D3c OIISN3c1r MIP1c1r CPSN1c L3B5c KBa4c1r WDN4c CIXD
Felipe VI of Spain3c1r CIXD
3c1r VGB
3c1r CIXD
3c1r VGB
3c1r F8SH
3c1r VGB
5c1r CIVS
5c1r FI2S
5c1r KLB

5c1r KLHL
5c1r LIIE
3c1r CIXD
3c1r VGB
4c CIXD6c KLB5c FLMS
5c FW3P
4c CIXD
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Key:  
CIVSCIXDCPSN
Carlos IV of Spain (1)Christian IX of Denmark (8)Prince Carl of Sweden and Norway (2)
E7GBF8DF8SH
Edward VII of Great Britain (1)Frederik VIII of Denmark (3)Friedrich VIII, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein (1)
FFIIMSFI2SFIIW
F Franz II, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1)Ferdinando I of the Two Sicilies (1)Friedrich II Eugen, Duke of Württemberg (1)
FLMSFW3PGVIS
Friedrich Ludwig, HGD of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1)Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia (1)Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden (1)
GVWPJWFOKBa
Georg Viktor, Prince of Waldeck & Pyrmont (1)Jan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange (2)Karl, Grand Duke of Baden (2)
KFBKLBKLHL
Karl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden (2)Karl Ludwig, Hereditary Prince of Baden (3)Karl Ludwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (2)
L3BLIIELIXHD
Léopold III of Belgium (1)Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor (1)Ludwig IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt (2)
MIBMIPOIISN
Maximilian I Joseph of Bavaria (3)Miguel I of Portugal (2)Oscar II of Sweden and Norway (3)
VGBWDN 
Victoria of Great Britain and Ireland (6)Wilhelm, Duke of Nassau (3) 
Most connections formed:CIXD (8)VGB (6)F8D, KLB, MIB, OIISN, WDN (3)CPSN, JWFO, KBa, KFB, KLHL, LIXHD, MIP (2)Others (1)
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The relationships chart for heirs of the current sovereigns above is now of course out of date following the accession of Felipe VI, making Infanta Leonor Princess of Asturias, and the birth of Prince Jacques of Monaco, Hereditary Prince of Monaco and Marquis of Baux, which displaced Princess Caroline of Hanover from her position as heiress presumptive. Further accessions will produce further changes, but only one of them will make any difference to relationships apart from increased degrees of distance, which is all the difference those two made. This will be the accession of Hereditary Prince Alois as Alois III of Liechtenstein, making his son Joseph Wenzel Hereditary Prince.

Prince Joseph Wenzel’s mother Duchess Sophie in Bavaria, Princess of Bavaria, only has one royal grandparent, her paternal grandfather (naturally enough) Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria. However, this royal great-grandfather, plus a strain of morganatic royal blood through his maternal grandmother (there is a similar strain from his maternal grandfather’s mother, wife to Duke Albrecht, but no nearest relationships are formed through it), makes several of Prince Joseph Wenzel’s relationships with current heirs significantly different to those his father enjoys.

I originally planned to update the heirs chart with each accession, but on further consideration saw that this would be pointless as essentially nothing would change, with that one exception, and of course the chart above is and always will be perfectly valid and correct for the date shown. I then decided that I would only do a new chart for the next change of reign in Liechtenstein, but have changed my mind on that also. The reason for this was the forum software change in late 2014 that played havoc with the charts, keys and many of the tables, necessitating near enough 100% reposting. I have now just about completed this very laborious task, producing substantial improvement but by no means total satisfaction with some of the results.

One thing that particularly distressed me was that in order to get the heirs chart to fit within the measure of the page and with all its content visible without scrolling I had to remove the titles of the heirs, simply labelling them by country. Now, I didn’t exactly have ‘Charles, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Earl of Chester, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland’ and ‘Felipe, Prince of Asturias, Prince of Girona, Prince of Viana, Duke of Montblanc, Count of Cervera and Lord of Balaguer’, just ‘Charles, Prince of Wales’ and ‘Felipe, Prince of Asturias’, but I really did not like shortening those and others to just first name and country.

So to make up for it the table below shows the nearest relationships of Prince Joseph Wenzel with the heirs on the original date, and also shows the heirs with their proper titles, even if not in full form. This obviates the necessity of producing a new heirs chart when Prince Joseph Wenzel eventually does become first in line. The only other reason for doing so would be the very happy event of a restoration, though most likely should that occur I would just do another addendum similar to that below.

Relationships of Prince Joseph Wenzel of Liechtenstein with the heirs to the European sovereigns at 21st July 2013, the accession day of King Philippe of Belgium
Heir(ess)Charles
Prince of Wales
Frederik
Crown Prince
of Denmark
Felipe
Prince of Asturias
Victoria
Crown Princess
of Sweden
Alois
Hereditary Prince
of Liechtenstein
Prince Joseph Wenzel
of Liechtenstein
5c2r FSA
5c2r KLB
5c2r LDW
6c1r KFB
6c1r MIB
4c1r AEA6c1r KFB
6c1r KLHL
6c1r MIB
Son
Heir(ess)Haakon
Crown Prince
of Norway
Guillaume
Hereditary Grand
Duke of Luxembourg
Caroline
Hereditary Princesss of Monaco
Catharina-Amalia
Princess of Orange
Elisabeth
Duchess of Brabant
Prince Joseph Wenzel
of Liechtenstein
6c MIB4c KDB6c1r KLB7c KLHL4c KDB
The first instance of Prince Joseph Wenzel's name is linked to his Genealogics ancestry, and the second to his Wikipedia article
Key:  
AEAFSAKDB
Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria (1)Friedrich, Duke of Saxe-Altenburg (1)Karl Theodor, Duke in Bavaria (2)
KFBKLBKLHL
Karl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden (2)Karl Ludwig, Hereditary Prince of Baden (2)Karl Ludwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (2)
LDWMIB 
Duke Ludwig of Württemberg (1)Maximilian I Joseoh of Bavaria (3) 
   
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