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I was curious as to how the members of the forum feel towards feudalism. I myself know very little about it, but am interested to see how many monarchists support the concept. Could it be effective in modern day? What would be the outcome, if it were to be applied to modern society?
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Very interesting question ... Thank you very much, dear friend, for proposing to discuss this. I myself have been thinking about this a lot lately ...

All that I will say below is, rather, a "game of reason" or "gymnastics for the mind", rather than a political program. Of course, it is very difficult to talk about feudalism after the Great French Revolution, since this question is directly related to the question of universal suffrage. This issue is also connected with the global economic globalization, the worldwide division of labor and the strengthening of the role of state structures in the life of society.

Strange as it may sound, a return to feudalism is possible after overcoming these conditions. And, strangely enough, but the way for this is prepared by some leftists - anarchists, green and so on. In the modern world there is a deaf discontent with the omnipotence of the state bureaucracy, there is a tendency to release from the guardianship of the state. Also, some social groups have a desire to isolate themselves from the modern state, to organize the life of a small community that will live according to the laws of direct "grassroots" democracy. If such a movement is of a mass character, then modern states will gradually die out (Karl Marx seems to have written about this), and the emergence of self-governing communities sooner or later, but will lead to the division of labor, the formation of a new aristocracy and the revival of feudalism. I think so. But it will be a new feudalism, a new aristocracy, and new kings. And it will not happen very soon.

Personally, I really like feudalism. This is a very honest system in which everyone does his job: a simple people creates products and pays direct taxes to the seigneur; The senor defends his vassals, carries out a fair trial and takes care of maintaining order. Under feudalism, the rural community has a direct "grassroots" democracy and settles the issues of daily life itself, and the seigneur delegates the resolution of issues of a larger scale that the community can not solve. With such a system, not only the state bureaucracy ("state idlers") dies out, but universal suffrage-the basis of the republican system-becomes unnecessary. There is a decentralization of power, city dwellers live according to the city charter, which is given to them by the King or the Emperor. So lived the Holy Roman Empire, and to this system society will ever return.


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Very interesting question ... Thank you very much, dear friend, for proposing to discuss this. I myself have been thinking about this a lot lately ...

All that I will say below is, rather, a "game of reason" or "gymnastics for the mind", rather than a political program. Of course, it is very difficult to talk about feudalism after the Great French Revolution, since this question is directly related to the question of universal suffrage. This issue is also connected with the global economic globalization, the worldwide division of labor and the strengthening of the role of state structures in the life of society.

Strange as it may sound, a return to feudalism is possible after overcoming these conditions. And, strangely enough, but the way for this is prepared by some leftists - anarchists, green and so on. In the modern world there is a deaf discontent with the omnipotence of the state bureaucracy, there is a tendency to release from the guardianship of the state. Also, some social groups have a desire to isolate themselves from the modern state, to organize the life of a small community that will live according to the laws of direct "grassroots" democracy. If such a movement is of a mass character, then modern states will gradually die out (Karl Marx seems to have written about this), and the emergence of self-governing communities sooner or later, but will lead to the division of labor, the formation of a new aristocracy and the revival of feudalism. I think so. But it will be a new feudalism, a new aristocracy, and new kings. And it will not happen very soon.

Personally, I really like feudalism. This is a very honest system in which everyone does his job: a simple people creates products and pays direct taxes to the seigneur; The senor defends his vassals, carries out a fair trial and takes care of maintaining order. Under feudalism, the rural community has a direct "grassroots" democracy and settles the issues of daily life itself, and the seigneur delegates the resolution of issues of a larger scale that the community can not solve. With such a system, not only the state bureaucracy ("state idlers") dies out, but universal suffrage-the basis of the republican system-becomes unnecessary. There is a decentralization of power, city dwellers live according to the city charter, which is given to them by the King or the Emperor. So lived the Holy Roman Empire, and to this system society will ever return.

I would like to add here the eradication of Feudalism was so tragic, and especially the fate of Sark island which retained its freedom from corporate greed that finally fell in 2008.

There's just so much propaganda against Feudalism especially in history, of how supposedly 'horrible' life was especially for peasants. When in reality that is a complete lie in some ways? Historians and Archaeologists found people in Feudalism as insisted by the church too had 80 days of holiday every year as compared to just 8 which is what we have today. There was the part of research that discovered many peasants merely just spent 150 days, and afterwards the rest was all just domestic life or work.

Under Feudalism there was no need depend on a job from a boss to support yourself, many people used their own tools of trade to do so. You had the freedom to be a peasant, a fisherman, a hunter, a metalworker, artisan, craftsman or even artist/writer/musician and so forth.

I wonder if restoring the distributist economy can pave the way to return to Feudalism? It was the closest 'movement' that wants to restore some ways of it that I could find.

Its like Order against Chaos, Feudalism has the code of chivalry and says every person should have individual access to the means of producing, all are given a purpose or role to play in society regardless. Via the refinement/civilization that classes bring the strong get their own role/responsibilities, just as so do 'the weak' who have not done anything wrong besides being that way by nature which the system recognizes then gives them the appropriate role for their nature. Feudalism says "Ok so you are that way, this is your responsibility as a member of that class", and "Ok we recognize that this role is not suitable for you. Your role as this class is more suitable and isn't meant for that responsibility." Infact in some cases when a person truely proves themselves to be suitable for a class/role and its responsibilities they do infact get/have been granted the opportunity to be in it.

Whereas post-feudalism or capitalism says 'survival of the fittest, fit into our framework. The weak have no place', abolishes class refinement that ensured security/stability for all of us and puts everybody into a 'pack' to make them compete against one another to get the most resources over all.

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