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While impressive, it's doubtful that Allan's genealogical claim will bear close examination, and his descent from Banquo, although romantic, probably derives more from Shakespeare than from any historical lineage.

The actual progenitor of the Stuarts (Stewarts) was a Breton knight, Alan Fitz Flaad (d. circa 1114), who came to England as an associate of King Henry I Beauclerc. Alan was the father of Walter fitz Alan (1106-1177). Walter supported Empress Matilda (King Henry's daughter) during the Anarchy. Matilda's uncle, King David I of Scotland, appointed him High Steward of Scotland. Walter was the father of Alan Fitz Walter (1140-1204), the second High Steward, who served King William the Lion. Alan was the father of Walter Stewart (d. 1246), the 3rd High Steward, who served King Alexander II. Walter was the father of Alexander Stewart (1214-1283), the 4th High Steward, who served King Alexander III. Alexander Stewart was the father of James Stewart (d. 1309), the 5th High Steward, who supported Robert the Bruce in his struggle for the Scottish throne. James Stewart was the father of Walter Stewart (1296-1327), 6th High Steward. Walter married Marjorie, the daughter of King Robert the Bruce. Marjorie, aged 19 and in the late stage of pregnancy, was thrown from the horse that she was riding in the Strathclyde district of Scotland on March 2, 1316. She was taken to nearby Paisley Abbey, where she died after giving birth to a son, who in the fullness of time became King Robert II.

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I knew as soon as I saw the third century claim that the genealogy would not bear close examination, so therefore gave it no examination at all. Because of that I hadn't seen the Banquo claim. The earliest known source for this 11th-century personality's existence is 16th-century, and generally agreed by scholars to be a work of fiction. Shakespeare's own source was as so often Raphael Holinshed's highly unreliable Chronicles, which in turn derived its version of Macbeth's story from the earlier work. Shakespeare altered some significant details about Banquo, most probably with a view to flattering the King, believed at the time to be Banquo's descendant, and possibly also for dramatic reasons. We now know from both documentary and DNA evidence that even if there ever was such a person, which there is no reason at all to believe there was, the Stuart line did not derive from him.

See the first two paragraphs here for more information.  I would say that this is another nail in the coffin of the putative King Allan's claim, but actually the funeral has been held, the corpse is six feet down, the headstone has been erected and flowers laid. The corpse will not be getting up, and there is no need for any additional fastenings.
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Let's hope King Allan is a forgiving man Peter.  The 30 days of his notice are swifty dwindling.  I hope he hasn't read your blatantly Windsorite posts. 
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I am a proud and unyielding Windsorite, and will face the firing squad or whatever with dignity and no regrets should the time come. Even though I sort of don't really expect it to.
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I am in stitches right now.
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Unlike her great-great-grandmother, the Queen seems to be rather amused too.
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Like we all are, and it is easier to find a picture of HM smiling unlike her forebear.
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I think that the 30 days notice mentioned in Allan's proclamation runs out on April Fools Day, or thereabouts.
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Ah so it's a prank then.

Sad, I thought we'd run into a genuine one.
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Good spot by Windemere. An ad in the Times is a pretty expensive prank, though. Nuts somehow seems a more likely explanation.
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He may be trying to lull all of you into thinking it's just a prank, but you'll all be properly shocked when he shows up on April 1st at Buckingham Palace and starts issuing orders.  

I think the Queen should immediately retreat to Windsor, refill the moat and fortify the Tower of London, just in case.

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He may be trying to lull all of you into thinking it's just a prank, but you'll all be properly shocked when he shows up on April 1st at Buckingham Palace and starts issuing orders.  

I think the Queen should immediately retreat to Windsor, refill the moat and fortify the Tower of London, just in case.


I would kickstart this if need be.

Give the man plane tickets and a megaphone and just let things happen.
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It would just be King Allan, no numeral until there was an Allan II, like it's Queen Victoria not Queen Victoria I. I will though be duly apologetic when these joyful events take place. But if you don't mind I won't hold my breath waiting, could get a bit uncomfortable.



It might have been Victoria I if Churchill had his way. Apparently he was all for Queen Elizabeth being known as Victoria II and it would have been so had the Queen Mother not been present when he asked Elizabeth about her regnal name. When the name Victoria was mentioned the Queen looked at her mother who gave her a disapproving look and she then answered "my name will be Elizabeth."
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Originally Posted by Ethiomonarchist
He may be trying to lull all of you into thinking it's just a prank, but you'll all be properly shocked when he shows up on April 1st at Buckingham Palace and starts issuing orders.  

I think the Queen should immediately retreat to Windsor, refill the moat and fortify the Tower of London, just in case.



We could build a wall around the UK and send him the bill.
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Like we all are, and it is easier to find a picture of HM smiling unlike her forebear.


Oh I don't know!

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