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DavidV

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This is for real: ballot papers are printed at home and can be taken to polling stations
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia/catalan-leader-opens-door-to-secession-from-spain-after-vote-idUSKCN1C60YA

Such a practice would not be allowed in a normal democracy. This even goes beyond Third World authoritarian regimes.
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I didn't see anywhere that it said that, though of course in any democratic sense the so-called poll was a bad joke anyway. The coverage, not just generally but actually universally that I have seen, continues to condemn the Spanish 'violence' as an assault on 'democracy'. Is it democracy if a regional government decides it can just ignore national law if it pleases? Apparently. And violence if police use proportionate force to curb lawbreaking? That too, it would seem. At least the King's address has been reported without criticism, but also alas without any heed being taken of what was said. I really am not Spain's biggest fan, due to its juvenile attitude over Gibraltar principally, but am feeling unaccustomed sympathy for the country as it continues to be unfairly pilloried in the world's media.
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His Majesty Felipe VI has taken the Catalan government to task in an unusual national televised address to his realm.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/03/king-felipe-catalan-authorities-have-scorned-all-spaniards-with-referendum

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/europe/catalonia-general-strike-protests-barcelona/index.html

Reactions have been interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/spains-kingfelipe-vi-says-catalan-independence-bid-illegal-undemocratic/

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I am getting and seeing some echoes of the abortive 1981 coup in that address, then it brought the country together, I hope the young boy who watched his father deliver that speech then can do the same now.
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Peter, DavidV is definitely correct that people could print ballot paper at home. It was reported all over the news here.

I was also happy with the King's speech. Aside from that I find it interesting that the Catalan government first said it could declare independence within one or two days after the referendum and now says it will act early next week. I wonder if they are getting cold feet or will really go ahead with declaring independence? It is hard to say if they will risk it at this point.
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Most of the Spanish people of approve the King's speech:
http://www.larazon.es/espana/la-mayoria-apoya-la-llamada-al-orden-del-rey-FA16433053?bol=bol-20171005-LRA

Michael Portillo has his view:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862966/Spain-Catalonia-independence-catalunya-european-union-espana-brussels-video

Portillo is of Spanish background. He makes a good point: the "Europe of Regions" is a scam with attractive packaging designed to weaken nation-states.
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Meanwhile, some of the images related to the referendum are dismissed as fake by the Spanish media:
https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/06/inenglish/1507278297_702753.html

Anti-Spanish indoctrination seems familiar, just see Scottish nationalism and Irish Republicanism for comparison:
http://www.abc.es/sociedad/abci-adoctrina-cachorros-nacionalistas-catalanes-201710052232_noticia.html
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The Duke of Parma makes a statement on Catalonia:
http://www.monarquiaconfidencial.com/espana/pretendiente-carlista-Espana-conflicto-Cataluna_0_3015898398.html
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They didn't dare to declare independence today. I hope it remains as such...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catalonia-independence-spain-latest-news-updates-referendum-region-a7993346.html
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The separatists are adamant that Catalonia will be an "independent republic". This is something that ought to be avoided.
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Madrid issues an ultimatum to Catalonia:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4968932/Madrid-rebukes-Catalonia-leader-signing-independence-declaration.html
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With talk of constitutional reform, Leonese regionalists invoke the heritage of the Kingdom of Leon to demand Leon be made a separate region:

http://www.salamanca24horas.com/articulo/local/ciudadanos-reino-leon-solicita-no-lesione-derecho-autonomia-reino-leon/201710111740161155258.html
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Is a certain box of Pandora about to be opened? I darn hope not!
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Anarchists in Greece arrested after their pro-Catalonia raid on the Spanish embassy:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/222378/gallery/ekathimerini/in-images/anarchists-arrested-after-raid-on-spanish-embassy

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https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/37473250/spains-far-right-gains-visibility-in-catalonia-crisis/

The Catalonia "vote" is not at all like Brexit. What we've seen with Brexit has been a resurgence of British patriotism and self-belief among patriotic Brits. The Catalonia question has actually done the same thing for Spanish nationalism. It's led to a resurgence of genuine patriotism all over Spain like has not been seen in decades.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4980072/Catalan-separatist-urges-unity-pressure-builds-Spain.html

The problem is that Carles Puigdemont and his party are seen as too "moderate" for many Catalan separatists, especially the radical Left.
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