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DavidV

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/690032/BREAKING-Military-coup-in-Turkey-shots-fired-and-bridges-closed

The surprise for me is that anyone is surprised even if it's taken this long. Erdogan has been on a major ego trip consolidating his power and ironically continues the authoritarian traditions of the 20th Century. Furthermore, Turkey's continued whitewashing of history seems to serve its neo-imperialist ambitions much like it does Putin's Russia.

Still, I'd rather a constitutional monarchy in Turkey than this.
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Does not surprise me at all, in post Ottoman Turkey it is only a matter of time before it is the turn of coup and counter-coup and some form of military junta running the show. Even in it's final days the Osman Dynasty was more coherent than anything that has replaced it.
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It seems the coup failed.
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For much of the focus on religion, Turkey in fact retreated from rigid Kemalist secularism after 1945. The state's attitude to religion softened and even became cooperative with religious bodies, which experienced something of a revival in a democratising Turkey. The Cold War had much to do with it as well. Turkey however was in a state of near civil war at times during the 60s and 70s.
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Disappointed that the coup appears to have failed. I suppose this means Erdo─čan will go on supporting the False Caliphate and blackmailing Europe with the threat of flooding the continent with refugees, not to mention the inevitable crackdown on whatever opposition still exists in Turkey. Reports say that the Turkish Government is considering a reinstatement of the death penalty for the coup's leaders.
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The world does not need an Erdogan or Putin, it does not need Eurocrats or Ayatollahs with unaccountable power. We are here precisely because of that. That's why I staunchly defend our system of government.
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Very sad sight.

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I heard some commentators suggest that Erdogan had a neo-Ottoman outlook in some respects, but I'm not sure what this means here.

I don't see either side as especially appealing here. I can't support the Ataturk legacy but Erdogan seems to be a would-be dictator (though I admit I say this as someone with little knowledge of Turkish society). Time to bring back the Ottomans. The Turkish ruler should be Bayezid Osman.
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Well Erdogan seems intent on reviving Turkish dominance of the Middle East, which to many seems distasteful given the memories of Ottoman domination of the Balkans, Armenia and whatnot. Turkey seems intent on whitewashing history in much the same way as Russia. It would seem that this is a neo-imperialism with all of its worst aspects and none of its better.

Erdogan is also behaving in an increasingly authoritarian manner, not least with how he's managed to elevate himself into a more powerful presidency and build a vulgar new palace. The danger exists that Turkey may slide into a new form of lawless autocracy, which can't be a good thing for peace and security anywhere. We don't need such lawless dictatorial systems anywhere in the world, surely.
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I'm not as anti-Putin as you are, but certainly am no fan of Erdogan.  If there is any silver lining in this, there may be a stronger consensus to keep Turkey out of Europe.   For example, I would like to keep Russia in and Turkey out.
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It's not about "keeping Turkey out of Europe", the EU shouldn't even exist in the first place. In fact, when the Soviet system fell in 1989-91 there were high hopes we'd see a better world but this never came because we now have an expansionist EU and belligerent powers elsewhere, plus failed states all over the world.
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Again, no fan of the EU, but as far as civilizations go, Russia is more what we want and less Turkey.
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The problem is that Eastern European nations do not want to be dominated by Russia any more than by Germany. That has always been the point that Hungary, Poland and others make. If anything, Eastern European nations must be embraced as our partners and allies in saving civilisation.
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Originally Posted by DavidV
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/690032/BREAKING-Military-coup-in-Turkey-shots-fired-and-bridges-closed

The surprise for me is that anyone is surprised even if it's taken this long 


Actually, I was pretty surprised by these events. In the last few years Erdogan seems to have increased his grip over the army more and more - which I guess paid out for him in the end, but I didn't think there would even be another attempt for a coup.
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Some sobering analysis that indicates Turkey may be headed towards some serious internal conflict as Edrogan runs roughshod over it's institutions in the post-coup era.

http://www.newsweek.com/michael-rubin-turkey-headed-bloodbath-515787?rx=us

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