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DavidV

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You can look at the neo-Nazi/White Nationalist movement in one of two ways:

1) many of us on the Right have warned for years that they are trying to exploit a dangerous vacuum left by failure to engage in constructive debate on race, immigration, multiculturalism, historical controversies and other things. Suppression of free speech is thus dangerous.

2) these neo-Nazis are often LARPers (Live Action Role Players), "Hollywood Nazis" or "costumists", who are either fools or provocateurs. Clearly the march in Charlottesville was highly provocative, though certainly not illegal under the constitution, and neither was any Leftist counter-protest illegal.

The point is that many suspect that the appearance of such people on the scene in recent years confirms a theory held (and you might even say conspiracy theory) that these extremists are working either to supplant the mainstream Right, or are being used by the liberal Establishment to undermine or discredit legitimate right-wing causes. Unfortunately, we monarchists have been forced to chase away some of these people from our own public discussions.
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Really guys, the both sides argument?  “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”― Isaac Asimov
 


Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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From It Can't Happen Here: "But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word 'Fascism' and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty."

"Huey Long once said, 'Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism.' I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security."  ― Jim Garrison

"Fascism is not defined by the number of its victims but by the way it kills them." ― Jean-Paul Sartre

"Fascism is capitalism plus murder."  ― Upton Sinclair

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" Dr.Martian Luther King Jr.









VasilyBloksin17

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Stop excusing them, davidV. We know since you're white and imperialist, you're incapable of hating them as much as you hate the darkies. But let's not bullshit the fact, that antifa is not the same as nazis.
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David is no racialist. I haven't seen any evidence for that. And this comes from someone who hasn't always seen eye-to-eye with him.

Not the same in what sense? If they're hardcore Marxist-Leninists then the radical left is as bad as Nazis. If they aren't, they still often have terrible beliefs, and it is asinine to try to compare rankings of terrible ideologies.

But more importantly, if the Nazis are not attacking anyone, but are being attacked by antifa, then in this incident the antifa are worse - they are a menace to order and civil peace. Just because someone has despicable ideology, that gives you no right to attack them. If you do, the police should use escalating force to make you desist and to drag you off to gaol. This is the obvious solution to the antifa issue. The police need to start doing there job, and not be squeamish. I'm sorry but if you are in a mob of masked, bike chain and baseball bat wearing thugs chasing someone for the temerity of wearing a MAGA hat, you shouldn't be surprised if strong, even lethal, force is used against you.

And, of course, the simple fact is the antifa don't restrict themselves to attacking actual Nazis and KKK. In the recent violence in Berkeley, for example, almost all committed by the left, they attacked mainstream Republicans, Trump supporters, and libertarians. In that incident the antifa were ideologically worse than their opponents, and exponentially worse in their actions.

Mark Labash has an excellent article on the Berkeley violence, which he personally witnessed whilst accompanying the event organiser: http://www.weeklystandard.com/a-beating-in-berkeley/article/2009498e: http://www.weeklystandard.com/a-beating-in-berkeley/article/2009498

It also shows the basic lack of integrity of some left-liberal politicians, like Pelosi, whose false labelling of the rally as white supremacist inflamed the situation.
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>But more importantly, if the Nazis are not attacking anyone, but are being attacked by antifa, then in this incident the antifa are worse

Except you know as well as I, that there have been anti-nazis protests throughout the decades and for the most part was peaceful, so again false  of painting "nazis" in good light. You don't reason with them, you kill them. Their goal is death, enough with the devil advocate.

>then in this incident the antifa are worse - they are a menace to order and civil peace.

Red baiting, order and civil peace to whom? Have ever notice that minorities and those that are for law and order would actually side with antifa? Hell Mitt "Corporations are people" Romney said that there were no both sides. The right wing in office/police and organizations are a threat to Law and Order. But they're christian and white, and darkies opinion don't matter right?

>Just because someone has despicable ideology, that gives you no right to attack them.


So you don't mind if Black supremacists do a protest and open carry?

>If you do, the police should use escalating force to make you desist and to drag you off to gaol.


Have you notice the police did nothing, no tanks, no armor, they allowed a black man getting beat. They knew violence was inevitable and they allowed the fascist to attack the left. Which had permits and was peaceful. So again, where was that "drag you off to gaol"? They did it to BLM, but not United the right?

>The police need to start doing there job, and not be squeamish.

You're already proving to be a hypocrite, the police are infringing of rights and brutality. These all forms statist big government. Why is that ok when it's a capitalist racist society, but not leftist one?


>I'm sorry but if you are in a mob of masked, bike chain and baseball bat wearing thugs chasing someone for the temerity of wearing a MAGA hat, you shouldn't be surprised if strong, even lethal, force is used against you.


But if a person saying "kill niggers" and aiming a warning shot at a Black bystander: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/footage-shows-man-firing-shot-near-protester-at-va-rally.html

Does he not deserve the same fate? You're implying antifa is some kind of gang, that prays on "conservatives". It has always been against Nazis.

>And, of course, the simple fact is the antifa don't restrict themselves to attacking actual Nazis and KKK. In the recent violence in Berkeley, for example, almost all committed by the left, they attacked mainstream Republicans, Trump supporters, and libertarians.

LOL, they weren't "mainstream republicans" again you don't know what happen there. You're condoning right wing crimes.


>In that incident the antifa were ideologically worse than their opponents, and exponentially worse in their actions.

They're worse cause they believe every non-white should live?

>Mark Labash has an excellent article on the Berkeley violence, which he personally witnessed whilst accompanying the event organiser: http://www.weeklystandard.com/a-beating-in-berkeley/article/2009498e

One the weeklystandard is conservative site, know for opinion pieces and bias. That's one strike. Mark Labash is accompying a know race baiter/anti-female organiser, why? That's strike two. His opinion also stated that "The Left" cause more violence and pinning two deaths on Bernie bros.  Also http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-mad-dog-of-the-middle-east/article/552537 that's strike three.

>It also shows the basic lack of integrity of some left-liberal politicians, like Pelosi, whose false labelling of the rally as white supremacist inflamed the situation.

Red baiting while leaving repubs blameless.


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You seem fundamentally dishonest, which is perhaps what we should have expected from a troll.

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>But more importantly, if the Nazis are not attacking anyone, but are being attacked by antifa, then in this incident the antifa are worse

Except you know as well as I, that there have been anti-nazis protests throughout the decades and for the most part was peaceful, so again false  of painting "nazis" in good light. You don't reason with them, you kill them. Their goal is death, enough with the devil advocate.


The antifa and similar leftist radicals =! just anyone who has been antifascist.

Marxism-Leninism equals death as well, given it is entirely determinist and collectivist, and sees recalcitrant interests and classes as needing to be swept away. There is a reason why liquidation and purges come so easy to communists. But even holding opinions that call or lead to violence is not the same as committing violence or directly inciting it. Look, I'm not a free speech absolutist. If either communists or fascists were becoming a strong minority, and threatening to take over, I might be in favour of judicious and restrained (no throwing out of helicopters) repression of them. A constitution or the rule of law is not a suicide pact. But this doesn't represent the present situation, as the white supremacists are a tiny fringe.



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Red baiting, order and civil peace to whom? Have ever notice that minorities and those that are for law and order would actually side with antifa? Hell Mitt "Corporations are people" Romney said that there were no both sides. The right wing in office/police and organizations are a threat to Law and Order. But they're christian and white, and darkies opinion don't matter right?


This is out of date. Yes, many Republicans, even Ted Cruz, caved into the mainstream-media 'only denounce the white supremacists' push directly after Charlottesville. But in recent weeks the tide has been turning, despite dogged resistance from some of the leftwing media. The public has been alerted to the nature of the antifa and is not pleased. The Democrats themselves have been turning against them and sense they are a liability. Only this could get the likes of Pelosi to denounce them. 

I see no reason to respond to communist nonsense. I'm not much of a fan of corporate-capitalism or our current governing systems myself, but the way to change them is not by lawlessness and self-willed violence.


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So you don't mind if Black supremacists do a protest and open carry?
Not if it is legal.

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Have you notice the police did nothing, no tanks, no armor, they allowed a black man getting beat. They knew violence was inevitable and they allowed the fascist to attack the left. Which had permits and was peaceful. So again, where was that "drag you off to gaol"? They did it to BLM, but not United the right?


This is dubious rendition  of what happened. It is hard to know who exactly started the violence in Charlottesville, but it is just as likely to have been the radical left as the Nazis. The radical left certainly gave as good as they got. It is therefore dubious to focus on the police standing back in the incidents you mention, as they stood back in others where the leftists were attacking others. Some have shrewd suspicions the Democratic governor and mayor wanted the police to let violence happen, precisely to try to tarnish the right.


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You're already proving to be a hypocrite, the police are infringing of rights and brutality. These all forms statist big government. Why is that ok when it's a capitalist racist society, but not leftist one?


It is never, except perhaps in the most extreme of circumstances, alright for a mob to take it upon itself to decide what is allowed.

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But if a person saying "kill niggers" and aiming a warning shot at a Black bystander: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/footage-shows-man-firing-shot-near-protester-at-va-rally.html

Does he not deserve the same fate?
Yes.

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You're implying antifa is some kind of gang, that prays on "conservatives". It has always been against Nazis.


Nonsense. What happened in Berkeley, Portland, and other places, proves this is just wrong. The antifa may throw epithets like Nazis and Fascists at all their opponents, but the latter are certainly not always Nazis.  


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LOL, they weren't "mainstream republicans" again you don't know what happen there. You're condoning right wing crimes.
You are lying, unless you are just playing word games. They were a mixture of libertarians, Trump supporters, and other mainstream rightists. I have no idea what crimes you are talking about.


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They're worse cause they believe every non-white should live?
No, because they're violent radicals and their victims in Berkeley were largely non-violent and mainstream.

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One the weeklystandard is conservative site, know for opinion pieces and bias. That's one strike. Mark Labash is accompying a know race baiter/anti-female organiser, why? That's strike two. His opinion also stated that "The Left" cause more violence and pinning two deaths on Bernie bros.  Also http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-mad-dog-of-the-middle-east/article/552537 that's strike three.

Cricket is more my game. Anyway, you don't address my points. I'm anti-neocon, and have my issues with the Weekly Standard. The American Conservative and The Imaginative Conservative are more my cup of tea. But there is no reason to think Labash was lying about the basic events and timeline, and you certainly haven't given one. The fact even Pelosi, who the day prior to the violence had been spreading false rumours of white supremacists coming to Berkeley, was forced to denounce the antifa in the wake of the events, and Labash's piece, does rather suggest he was largely right.

It is telling that you try to tar the organiser of the Berkeley event in this way (and the same goes for your comments towards DavidV), as it just goes to show that it is far from just Nazis and KKK who aren't safe from the antifa. The organiser is of half-Japanese descent. The event hosted and was attended by people of numerous nationalities. He is an unlikely white supremacist - especially as he isn't one. The worst that can be said of him is he is something of a provocateur. He holds rallies in liberal areas partly to draw out leftwing radicals and draw the general public's attention to the problem of leftwing radicalism, violence, and intolerance in the US. As he says, he doesn't do this for conservatives, as they already despise the likes of the antifa, but for the middle of the nation, and even the more moderate left. It seems that middle is listening. Now, one could think he is being foolish, but at the end of the day all he is actually doing is putting on free speech rallies. It is the worst sort of victim blaming to blame him if leftwing radicals cause violence at a rally like this. Such violence is exponentially worse than the organisers deliberately holding the rally where it might occur.
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      >You seem fundamentally dishonest, which is perhaps what we should have expected from a troll.

          Another "I'm white and I say so" argument?

      >Marxism-Leninism equals death as well

No, it means:
  1. the doctrines of Marx as interpreted and put into effect by Lenin in the former Soviet Union and (at first) by Mao Zedong in China.


    By your logic, I could say America/Europe equal death due to how much blood they have spill constantly.

    >There is a reason why liquidation and purges come so easy to communists.

    And it would come so easily for capitalists in america and throughout history. Violent revolution is by the people. Hell look at American revolution.

    >But even holding opinions that call or lead to violence is not the same as committing violence or directly inciting it.

    So BLM isn't terrorists as well as Antifa if they call for violence, but never committed it. You see the hypocrisy of you giving these people a pass, but not the left? And they attack first, the right.

    > Look, I'm not a free speech absolutist.

    No shit...

    >If either communists or fascists were becoming a strong minority, and threatening to take over, I might be in favour of judicious and restrained (no throwing out of helicopters) repression of them.

    Mostly the fascists(the white supremacists technically) when trump gets purged. The right threaten to break the law, if their lawbreaker gets gone(and he will).

    > A constitution or the rule of law is not a suicide pact. But this doesn't represent the present situation, as the white supremacists are a tiny fringe.

    35% of polls support trump, 60 mil. That's 60 mil traitors and anti-constitutionist white supremacists. So it's not a "tiny fringe".

    >This is out of date. Yes, many Republicans, even Ted Cruz, caved into the mainstream-media 'only denounce the white supremacists' push directly after Charlottesville. But in recent weeks the tide has been turning, despite dogged resistance from some of the leftwing media. The public has been altered to the nature of the antifa and is not pleased. The Democrats themselves have been turning against them and sense they are a liability. Only this could get the likes of Pelosi to denounce them.

    Cause the antifa is doing good, they calling out the bullshit and the false "white victimization" tactics. Which is why the capitalists and white supremacist(and their enablers) are calling them "terrorists". They can't have any resistance when they want to lynch the "niggers".

    >I see no reason to respond to communist nonsense. I'm not much of a fan of corporate-capitalism or our current governing systems myself, but the way to change them is not by lawlessness and self-willed violence.


    That's the american revolution in a nutshell "lawlessness and self-willed violence".

    >Not if it is legal.

    It usual is legal and the devils in power will(have before) reject it.

    >It is hard to know who exactly started the violence in Charlottesville, but it is just as likely to have been the radical left as the Nazis.

    The nazis were planning for violence: https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/16/16155942/charlottesville-protests-nazis-vice

    > It is therefore dubious to focus on the police standing back in the incidents you mention, as they stood back in others where the leftists were attacking others.

    No, cause even if that was the case(sources) a klaner shot at a black guy. That's a jail sentence.

    > Some have shrewd suspicions the Democratic governor and mayor wanted the police to let violence happen, precisely to try to tarnish the right.

    Projection, you're trying to twist this as the left fault, while you give the right to continue their violence.

    >It is never, except perhaps in the most extreme of circumstances, alright for a mob to take it upon itself to decide what is allowed.

    But it's ok for the minority to force their will against the mob? How is that any better?

    >Nonsense. What happened in Berkeley, Portland, and other places, proves this is just wrong. The antifa may throw epithets like Nazis and Fascists at all their opponents, but the latter are certainly not always Nazis. 

    But you throw epithets on the liberals, but they're not commies. And yes they are Nazis, even if not in name. Their goal is to erode freedom and liberty to minorities and women, even their own kind eventually.

    >You are lying, unless you are just playing word games. They were a mixture of libertarians, Trump supporters, and other mainstream rightists. I have no idea what crimes you are talking about.

    You have no evidence that I'm lying. I have evidence that most were not "Libertarians and mainstream rightists" they're all trump supporters but most were doing the heil hilter.


    > No, because they're violent radicals and their victims in Berkeley were largely non-violent and mainstream.

    No, they preach hate, they receive hate. You don't get to give them a pass due to their whiteness.

    >Labash was lying about the basic events and timeline

    I never said he was, I said his blatantly attempt to pin violence to the left, and not the right is telling.

    >The fact even Pelosi, who the day prior to the violence had been spreading false rumours of white supremacists coming to Berkeley, was forced to denounce the antifa in the wake of the events, and Labash's piece, does rather suggest he was largely right.


    She was right in the white supremacist. But she was also being fair, unlike you or the right.

    >It is telling that you try to tar the organiser of the Berkeley event in this way (and the same goes for your comments towards DavidV), as it just goes to show that it is far from just Nazis and KKK who aren't safe from the antifa.

    Cause it's telling that he's just red baiter and hypocrite as I am by your standards. I seen his history.

    >The organiser is of half-Japanese descent. He is an unlikely white supremacist.

    Are you nuts, self-hate minorities are the posterboys of white supremacy. They're due to thinking that whites are "victimized" knowing full well the whites want them dead.

    > He holds rallies in liberal areas partly to draw out leftwing radicals and draw the general public's attention to the problem of leftwing radicalism, violence, and intolerance in the US.

    So he's purposely trying to start a fight, that's not the lefts fault then.

    >but for the middle of the nation, and even the more moderate left. It seems that middle is listening.

    Yes they approve of the racism.

    >Now, one could think he is being foolish, but at the end of the day all he is actually doing is putting on free speech rallies.

    His goal of removing what little free speech we have left.

    > It is the worst sort of victim blaming to blame him if leftwing radicals cause violence at a rally like this. Such violence is exponentially worse than the organisers deliberately holding the rally where it might occur.

    When the right calls for erosion of freedoms, you kill them, end of story.
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With due respect Wessexman, there really is no point in trying to argue with such an odious creature. This troll is no more welcome than the neo-Nazi trolls that have tried to tar our cause.
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Meh, I don't see much point in responding to the idiocy in your last post. It is such a mixture of fallacy, dishonesty, and stupidity, it is hard to know where to start.No unbiased person could fail to be put off from the antifa cause by reading your posts. I've seen this a few times in recent weeks. It is amazing how good antifa are in putting off most people, as soon as they start defending their actions.

Edit: Snap. This post was for Vasily.
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Anyway, back to seriousness, I liked this article:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451092/antifa-violence-tactics-anger-politics-attacks-liberals-too

It shows, with links and quotes, how much even the left are turning on the antifa. If you follow the links you will find not only he a confirmation of what lawless thugs these radical leftists are, from sources that could hardly be called rightwing, but you will also see the kind of excuses and distortions made by the left for the antifa - like their hearts are in the right place or the blurring of distinctions between actual Nazis and mainstream conservatives and Trump supporters (the New Republic article actually talks of white supremacists in MAGA hats, clearly trying to link Trump supporters to Nazis; another quotes someine who can't tell the difference between the Tea Party and Nazis).
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And the slippery behaviour of the SPLC:

http://dailysignal.com/2017/09/05/southern-poverty-law-center-almost-got-killed-media-still-propagate-hate-map
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Really guys, the both sides argument?


I did not make a "both sides argument".  I said specifically Antifa and the neo-fascists.  It was the President that tried to make an equivalency, and there is none.  In the U.S. the neo-fascists are ascendant these days under our foul President, but this has fueled violent leftists as well.  Antifa's ideology is evil, but the odious far right remain by far more dangerous  as they are feuled by the current head of state.

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With due respect Ethiomonarchist, I cannot agree with you on this and you just need to read Melanie Phillips to know why:

http://www.melaniephillips.com/totalitarianism-winning-west/

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Far from the left fighting the far-right, it is in fact inadvertently giving it the most powerful boost it has received since Nazism was defeated in 1945. This is not just because the left is using the far-right to smear and undermine mainstream conservatives, whose aim to defend western culture has been viciously equated over many decades now with white racism.

It’s also that – just as we can see over Islamisation – the fascist right has moved into the vacuum left by mainstream cultural and political establishment, which either shuts its eyes to the undermining of western values (US Republican Party, UK Conservative Party) or has put itself at the vanguard of the attempt to replace the west and even human identity itself by a new world order (US Democratic Party, UK Labour Party).

The outcome is as predictable as it is terrible. This is why.

The equation of mainstream “national identity” conservatism with white supremacism is a foul lie. “National identity” conservatives want to uphold core western cultural values they deeply cherish and share with each other. The racist and fascist far-right is driven by loathing of racial and ethnic groups deemed to be inferior. The former is based on love; the latter is based on hate.

But here’s the awful thing. The more the mainstream establishment abandons or undermines western national identity, the more the fascist right postures that it alone is defending it. The more the fascist right flexes its muscles, the more the left seizes on those people as cultural aggressors, falsely presents the totalitarian left along with the Islamists as their victims and the heroic defenders of freedom, and assassinates the character of anyone who dares protest that the left along with the Islamists are in fact the twin destroyers of freedom and the major threat to it. The more mainstream society flees in terror from this cultural battleground, the greater the vacuum into which the fascist right will increasingly march. If mainstream society doesn’t get its act together, totalitarianism will win.

This fearsome situation is the reason Donald J Trump came to power. The west has simply come off the cultural rails. Conservatism, the attitude of mind which conserves what is valuable in a society and defends it as the cultural legacy to be handed down to generations as yet unborn, no longer knows what it is supposed to be defending. Faced with the focused and implacable onslaught of secularism and left-wing ideology aimed at undermining and destroying the cultural legacy of the west, conservatives have scattered in total bewilderment, confusion and fear.

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I agree with David. I'm not sure how the Trump has fueled Neo-Nazis, although the media keeps saying it. Of course, he has finally decided to enforce the borders, and the far-right like that, but that doesn't make him or that policy far-right or even wrong. The media's case seems to be all guilt by association (ie., supportive statements by David Duke, playing on the vague term alt-right that covers everyone from actual Nazis to Bannon and Milo Yiannopoulos).

I don't see any evidence of the growth of the far-right. There has been low-level white supremacist violence in the US for decades. It is despicable, but it is a law enforcement issue, and hasn't caused any threats to the polity.

On the other hand, I think the antifa, BLM, and similar far-left radicals have been growing in support and boldness, especially since the election, given succour by the left. Their increasing attacks on the mainstream right and Trump supporters are a possible threat to the polity. Now, it is only just beginning to become a noteworthy threat, and their allies in the media and establishment seem to rethinking their support, but I'd say if the mainstream right can't organise events, speeches, and rallies for fear ofmasked thugs, this would be a threat to the American political system. I think Trump was therefore right, though he could have called out the chief groups by name.
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Trump can't control what David Duke says. Trouble is, he can't seem to control what Donald Trump says either. 'Both sides were to blame'. 'No, I condemn the white supremacists.' 'No, there were some wonderful people marching with the white supremacists.' Talk about mixed messages. And how is he enforcing the borders? Perhaps it's with the arguably unconstitutional and certainly impracticable Muslim ban. Or maybe his fantasy wall. Or possibly the DACA revocation, which smacks uncomfortably of retrospective legislation and which no one with any sense of justice or fairness would have proposed.

Whatever, none of these seem very effective, especially the Great Wall of the Imagination. I agree that our friend Ethiomonarchist went too far, Trump isn't systematically encouraging the far Right, though he's not discouraging them either. And basically they are a disgusting but cranky and unimportant fringe, the violent Left are considerably more numerous and organised and enjoy a dangerous degree of approval with their posing as champions of justice when they are in fact footsoldiers of tyranny. I therefore think them the more serious threat by a long way, a threat exacerbated by their extremely unholy alliance with Islamism. So we're not too far off the same page on those points. Where we differ more strongly is in my view that the irresponsible, ignorant and stupid man in charge of America's destiny is a bigger danger than far Left and far Right combined, even if more by inadvertence than active malice.
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