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nocturnalmonarchist

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So I'm at an intellectual crossroads. As a monarchist, I support monarchy in general, but as an American, I've been thinking about monarchy for here--in my opinion, bringing monarchy to America would for the most part bring the Westminster system to America, which I do not think our country needs. America has some civil strife, but in general there are no bombings or civil unrest (shootings yeah, but I don't know how monarchy can fix that. Even England had the London riots recently.)
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what I mean is that while I support existing monarchies, and monarchies for countries with civil unrest and corruption, I'm not sure every nation needs one/should have one.
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The US republic is horrible and deserves contempt.   Focus on that.   As a citizen of this country, you should try to keep your country from causing damage to other countries abroad, which we are prone to do.   So I think your responsibility is to minimize the damage the US inflicts on other countries.   In this country, you can focus on your family and kin, which is a natural thing to do.   Focus on them and protect them from the nefarious things your country will try to inflict on them.   As far as having a real monarch – that's something we've lost and may regain some day in the distant future.   Teach your children to hope for the "return of the king" one day.
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What is a 'real monarch'?
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Good question.  You definitely know it when you see it.
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I am not a citizen of the United States, and therefore I can not advise US citizens what kind of government their country should be. In addition, I know that the ideology in the US has always been anti-monarchical, a sharp anti-monarchical. US citizens are also difficult to convince of the desirability and advantage of the Monarchy, as well as of the Russian people who were born and brought up under the Communists.

This happened historically: the first US residents moved from Europe because they did not want to pay taxes to the Kings. They did not want the royal power to interfere with their faith in God. This is a very important nuance.

Nevertheless, there is another side to the question. First, the United States is, nevertheless, not one state, but the Commonwealth of 50 states. Some territories of the US modern had their King before. This, for example, Hawaii (King for Hawaii), Alaska (Russian Emperor), British Florida (King of Great Britain) and some others. Secondly, in the 19th century, in some territories of the US there were attempts to proclaim the Monarchy: there was the Mormon King, there was the "US Emperor and Protector of Mexico" Joshua Norton in San Francisco ...

Therefore, I think that it might be possible to recall this tradition. It is not necessary to talk about the "United Kingdom of the Northern States of America", since it never happened. But you can talk about the state of Hawaii, in which the Governor will be replaced by the King. You can talk about the Kingdom of Mormon Utah in the United States. You can talk about the Duchy of Alaska in the US ... Probably, this way is the only possible one.

Unfortunately, we do not know groups in the US that support such ideas. If such groups and movements will appear in the future, it will be good; If such groups do not arise, then there is no need to talk about it.

I want to say this: the US supported many monarchists who emigrated from their homeland. When Russia had a communist dictatorship, we were helped a lot by Russian monarchists from the United States. In North America, they had the opportunity to publish monarchical newspapers, magazines, pamphlets, books in Russian, make banners and monarchic signs that they sent to us for Russia. Internet was not then, and it was the only opportunity for information and work. For these Russian monarchists (like Solzhenitsyn, for example), the United States gave shelter and legal work. We remember that, and we are very grateful to the government and the people of the United States for this.


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Not just Florida but all the original Thirteen Colonies (which did not include Florida, a later acquisition by the US) were subject to and eventually rebels against the British monarch. Various other parts of what is now the United States were under British rule, and great swathes of the country were included in the French and Spanish dominions. California and various other states were forcibly annexed from Mexico in the 1840s and had been included in the First Mexican Empire when that was extant, besides having previously been included in the aforementioned Spanish dominions, as Florida had been too, both before and after British rule.

And so it goes on, 'some others' as you say, and in that sense there is plenty of monarchical history in the United States. No tradition of native monarchy, though, Hawaii aside. I don't expect America to ever develop one either, and if it does it will be in some far-distant and unforeseeable future. Speaking only of localities rather than a more general American monarchy, will the Hawaiian kingdom ever be restored? Much though I would love to see it, no. The vast majority of the islands' present population are not of the original native blood and heritage and would be unlikely ever to support or accept the idea.

A Mormon kingdom in Utah, then? Perish the thought, and I don't actually think there ever was even the beginnings of one. There was James Strang, a Mormon dissident leader in Michigan, but he's all I came across in connection with Mormon monarchy. As for a Duchy of Alaska, Russian settlers there never numbered as much as a thousand at any one time, and virtually all those resident at the time of the transfer went back to Russia, so there would be no sentiment supporting some kind of Orthodox successor state. I'm afraid a monarchy over even part of the United States will remain just something for fantasy writers to play with, probably for ever.
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Yes, that's right. I mentioned British Florida because at this forum I saw people who want the Restoration of British Florida under the scepter of the good Queen Elizabeth. I know that the history of the United States at the very beginning is very closely related to the British, French and Spanish Crown. But I have never seen the monarchists of Vermont, the monarchists of New York, the monarchists of Louisiana, or the monarchists of Texas ... Only monarchists from West Florida. So I mentioned this territory.

The project "United Kingdom of the Northern States of America" - this is a utopia and fantasy, of course. History and Lord God disposed so that this did not happen. Mr. George Washington wore the title "His Majesty the President of the United States", but the dynasty of King Washington did not arise. This is an indisputable fact.

My private opinion was about some kind of "local Restoration" in some areas within the common Federation. But in order for this to happen, we need supporters in these territories. We do not observe such supporters yet and we are unlikely to see them.

I'm very sad to talk about this, but I must say. When I was in the US, or when I talked with US citizens in Russia, it always seemed to me that they were very similar to Soviet people. They are similar in their declared democracy and non-acceptance of such concepts as "aristocracy", "Crown" and other monarchical. In this anti-monarchism, American people are like twin brothers of Soviet people. It's very, very sad ...

But I can watch something else. I studied the phenomenon of "individual imperialism" a lot and wrote a book about micronation. In the United States, many such people who unilaterally proclaim their home, their island, their own farm as the "Kingdom" or the "Principality", and themselves - as "King" or "Prince." Of course, this is not a real Monarchy, but only a toy one. But this phenomenon tells us that some US citizens have an interest in the Crown and a desire to live in the Kingdom.

And more so. Once in the early 1990s, the United States had a monarchical organization called "The Society of Saint Constantine." But then it disappeared. I wonder: is there any movement today?


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I forget to say: about the king of Mormons James Strang - quite right! I was talking about this story.
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Currently, Most likely due to the culture and mindset of the people, the United States has little to no monarchist movement. Some wished to make the first President, George Washington, King of America, Washington, however, refused the title. The only Monarch the US could realistically adopt, would be the Monarchy of the UK, through the British Commonwealth, the only monarchist political party in the United States (which I am aware of) Is the Royalist party (http://royalistpartyusa.wixsite.com/-royalist-party-usa) it is also for the restoration of the British Monarchy in the United States, while this could be called a "movement"  it is very small, and only has a few supporters. As far as successfully establishing a modern monarch as the HoS of the United States, this would be INCREDIBLY difficult. 
First, We would need to elect a President who would prioritize joining the British Commonwealth.  
Second, We would need a majority of Congress, Judges, and anyone else who could slow or stop the process, to go along with this.
Third, The Commonwealth would have to allow the United States to officially join, and become a member.
Fourth, We would have to deal with the inevitable protests, and possibly riots which would ensue. 
These are all HUGE leaps which would have to be taken in order to restore the Monarchy in the US, and while it would be glorious, actually making it happen and keeping the peace, might be close to impossible in the near future.
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Yes, of course it is. You wrote everything right, my dear friend: it's very, very big difficulties.

Monarchical tradition is a great Miracle, which is very easy to lose and destroy, but it is very difficult to restore. It can only be Lord God. People only destroy the Monarchist tradition. How much has been restored? Spain, Cambodia ... no more.

It is interesting to learn more about monarchist organizations in the US, even if they are very small. What are they hoping for? What are their arguments? As a result, they appeared? All this is very important. In such an anti-monarchical state as the US, even supporters of the monarchy and organization - there is also the Miracle of God.


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Once in the early 1990s, the United States had a monarchical organization called "The Society of Saint Constantine." But then it disappeared. I wonder: is there any movement today?


It was actually called the Constantian Society, and it was the creation of Randall J. Dicks. When Mr Dicks died at the young age of 48, the organisation died with him.

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The thought has also occurred to me, that much of the US was also part of France at one time, while, to me, the British Commonwealth at this time would be a easier option (Though still incredibly difficult) Has the thought of His Majesty Louis XX as king of the United States occurred to anyone? I am not aware of any groups that encourage this, however I consider it an interesting idea, at least to think about.
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I would encourage it. After all, he's lived in America and never has in France, so already has more of a connection with the former place than the latter. And France could then get on with restoring its proper monarch, with one less distraction in the way.
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Or, Perhaps the US could be divided up between several Monarchs, England, France, Spain, Russia, and Hawaii, (I hope I have not forgotten any?) but remain loosely unified through some sort of federation? However at this point i'm just toying with ideas.
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