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Spongie555

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TLC has announced that they are going air a reality show called Secret Princes very soon. The princes staring in the show will be Prince Francisco of Spain, Prince Salauddin Babi of India, Lord Robert Walters and Honorable Ludovic Watson. This will be the America adaption of the the original British show.

  http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/prince_of_hearts_VKXt3wPNnKLc0QGbTifAVI

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[citation needed] on these supposed princes, especially the purported Spanish prince. Also, laaame.
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OK, it appears Francisco is the 7th in line to the Legitimist French succession and the only son of the Duke of Seville, and the Indian prince is apparently of the royal family of Balasinor. No clue about the other two, but they apparently claim to be noblemen, not princes. And this sounds like an awful show.
Spongie555

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I have never been a fan of reality tv so I probably won't watch it but it would be interesting to see how the show would portray these very obscure princes. Since I'm guessing an average American probably thinks these princes are members of ruling families.
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- His Majesty King Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck Coronation Address to the Nation, 6 November 2008
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I think the BBC showed Secret Princes and Secret Princesses a few years ago in the UK, I didn't watch either. "Lord" Robert Walters looks like a fake.

http://lordrobertwalters.com/lord_robert_walters.html
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The only way anyone can be 'Lord first name surname' is by being a younger son of a duke or marquess (or a male line great-grandson of a sovereign, which hardly applies here). On 'Lord' Robert's site it is claimed that the title was created by Henry VIII. There are no extant dukedoms or marquessates created by Henry VIII. Ergo, he is indeed a fake. As for 'Prince Francisco of Spain', there is no such title as Prince or Princess of Spain. The title is Infante or Infanta. Only the heir is known as a Prince or Princess, of Asturias. There is precisely one person alive right now who is an Infante of Spain, the Duke of Calabria, known as Carlo or Carlos. No Franciscos, so he is a fake too (he might be one of the Seville cadet line, I can't be bothered to check, but they are not princes). I think one can reasonably assume that the other two are fake as well.
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Francisco, is, as I have already mentioned, the only son of the Duke of Seville, so no fake, just title-lazy. The Indian prince is from the royal family of Balasinor, so, again, no fake.

Not sure about the supposedly Honourable Ludovic Watson, though. Thank you for proving Robert Walters is a fake, though. It really doesn't do these princes-or-such any favors appearing on a trashy reality show, though.
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Apologies, KYM, I somehow missed your post. There could possibly be an Honourable Ludovic Watson, if there were an earl, viscount or baron surnamed Watson and he had a son called Ludovic. However, there are no such earls or viscounts and, while there are two life barons of the name, one is childless and the other though he has two sons did not choose to call either one Ludovic. Further, this person calls himself 'of Houghton Hall'. Houghton Hall, as it happens, belongs to the Marquess of Cholmondely. A son of his would be Lord something Cholmondely, not the Honourable anything Watson. So, two fakes out of four it would seem, and actually I would say Francisco is a third for arrogating a title that not only does not belong to him, but also does not exist.
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Well, I just watched the first episode, and something something something something.

I did learn from Ludovic Watson that his family are the Barons Manton, which is a real title, created in 1922, whose holders are indeed surnamed Watson. The Peerage actually has an entry on him, cited to Burke's, so Ludovic is really nobility, it seems. 

"Lord" Robert Walters still seems a fake though. Though I did just see on the Peerages Google Group that he may be Lord of the Manor of Fullwood. Any help on that, Peter?
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That picture of them in the link makes them look like the most awkward people in the universe.
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I was curious enough to watch the first episode as well.  Rather cringe-worthy.  Interesting that Hon Ludovic Watson might be legit after all. But I strongly suspect that most "Honourables" don't actually introduce themselves as "Honourable."

I didn't think I liked them very much.  But then I doubt that "Reality TV" shows anyone at their best.  "Lord" Robert Walters has got to be a total fake.  I love how his website can't even be bothered to capitalize "Henry VIII" from whom his title allegedly derives.

 

wainscottbl

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I don't have a problem with the Duchess of Cambridge for example appealing to the secular and republican world because it is nice how the British royal family appeals to everyone except the most bitter republicans, particularly in Britain and America. But somehow this show like some vulgar insult of monarchy that will do no justice to its glory. I suppose Americans deep down, against except the most bitter Americanists, are interesting in royalty, as the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton proves, but somehow I think a show like this will just bring out the worst in royals, and thus do injustice to them. 
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...well, except that none of the three European participants are actually "royal," though at least Francisco is a patrilineal descendant of King Carlos IV (1748-1819).
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Yes, but what do you expect from American reality show? I mean people actually go to Judge Judy for justice in this country, and yes those TV judges are real I believe. But as Michael Savage said (not that I am a huge fan of his but he makes a good point) judges like Judy are for low class people who want to make a big deal of a legal issue on reality TV. I think the same sort of nonsense applies to such a TV show about royalty. 
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The hour of my death now drawing on, the tender love I owe you forceth me, my case being such, to commend myself to you, and to put you in remembrance with a few words of the health and safeguard of your soul which you ought to prefer before all worldly matters, and before the care and pampering of your body, for the which you have cast me into many calamities and yourself into many troubles. For my part, I pardon you everything, and I wish to devoutly pray God that He will pardon you also. For the rest, I commend unto you our daughter Mary, beseeching you to be a good father unto her, as I have heretofore desired. I entreat you also, on behalf of my maids, to give them marriage portions, which is not much, they being but three. For all my other servants I solicit the wages due them, and a year more, lest they be unprovided for. Lastly, I make this vow, that mine eyes desire you above all things.

Katherine of Aragon, last letter to Henry
Peter

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Yes, Ludovic Waldo Rupert Watson is indeed the son of the 4th Baron Manton and so entitled to the designation 'the honourable', though as royalcello observes it is not customary to use this except in formal situations. He is even of Houghton Hall, a different one, in Yorkshire, while the celebrated Houghton Hall belonging to the Marquess of Cholmondeley is in Norfolk. So I suppose I owe the Honourable Ludovic an apology for my evidently inadequate searches having failed to come up with him, or his father's title. As he does all of us for posing as royal when he is nothing of the kind. I am not sure that his is not a worse fraud than that of 'Lord' Robert Walters, who is such a blatant fake that it has to be tongue-in-cheek. And worst of all, because nearest to genuine, is 'Prince' Francisco, who actually has royal blood to disgrace by appearing in this trash and pretending to be something he knows full well he is not..
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