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Ethiomonarchist

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Yesterday, June 14, 2010, King Michael of Romania created his eldest grandson, Nicolae, Prince of Romania, and named him as third in line of succession to the throne and to the headship of the Romanian Royal family.  Prince Nicolae is the son of King Michael's daughter Princess Elena.  He follows his aunt Crown Princess Margareta, and his mother Princess Elena in the succession.

Prince Nicolae is British educated and is involved in conservation and environmental issues as well as youth activity programmes. 

Prince Nicolae, who has also been granted the right to use the surname "de Romania" (King Michael was the first and only Romanian monarch to adopted this name in place of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen) is descended from many of Europe's great monarch's including Queen Victoria and the Russian Czars.  The Kings of Romania are members of the Roman Catholic branch of the Hohenzollern dynasty who converted to Eastern Orthodoxy following their invitation to assume the Romanian throne.  Through his grandmother Queen Anna of Bourbon-Parma, he is also decended from the Moldavian Prince Ieremia Movila who built Romania's famous painted monasteries.

Romanias Prince Nicolae pose for photographers ...
Nicolae of Romania at the Elizabeta Palace following his elevation to the title of Prince by his grandfather King Michael.

Prince Radu of Romania watches as his wife Princess ...
Prince Nicolae is congradulated by his aunt Princess Margareta and her husband Prince Radu. 

Romanias former King Michael I and his nephew ...
Prince Nicolae with his grandfather King Michael of Romania after being named a Prince and third in line of succession.  King Michael also awarded his grandson the royal Nihil Sine Deo order.

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I  wish the new prince well. I wonder if he will keep his paternal surname of Medford-Mills. I do not believe de Roumanie is a surname as such, just as "of Great Britain" is not the surname of Queen Elizabeth II. Up until now, Nicholas has been known as Medford-Mills de Roumanie.

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I wish him well, but I do not consider him to be a Prince. The Romanian succession was regulated by the country's monarchical constitution, and the King does not have the power to alter it at whim. It may be unfortunate and inconvenient that, he having only daughters, the succession after him goes to a distant cousin uninterested in and unconnected with Romania, but that is the law and it can only be changed following a revival of the monarchy and by proper constitutional procedure, including a vote in Romania's Parliament. I genuinely respect King Michael, but disagree with his actions over the succession; even the King is not above the law.
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Peter,
Could he not be effectively made a prince without the standing in the succession being effective?  I seem to recall that the style is within the royal perogative in the UK, while the succession requires parliamentary consent...

Perhaps the 'style' would influence any parliament that was called to revise the succession, while not actually changing it at present....



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I don't know about Romania, but you are correct that in Britain Letters Patent could be issued to confer the title of Prince or Princess. And it is customary to recognise honours and titles conferred by exiled or deposed Sovereigns, so I would have no problem with acknowledging the title, provided that pre-coup Romanian law allowed the King to confer such titles at will. I know however that in Romania, as in Britain, the succession cannot be altered except by legislation.
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I believe the granting of titles including that of prince are within the King's perogative.  While there is some room for argument about whether he can change the succession with the monarchial constitution of Romania having long been suspended, I don't think there can be much dispute among monarchists that King Michael can name his grandson a prince.

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I do not believe de Roumanie is a surname as such, just as "of Great Britain" is not the surname of Queen Elizabeth II. Up until now, Nicholas has been known as Medford-Mills de Roumanie.


The surname "de Romania" was adopted by King Michael during his reign after droping the German Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen name.  It is the name that he uses, and is thus a legal surname.  The King of Greece, who never used a surname was required to adopt one by the Greek government in order to receive a Greek passport.  He has similarly adopted the name "de Grecia", which has also been adopted by the rest of the Greek Royal family including the Queen of Spain (her children are now use Borbon y Grecia rather than their former name of Borbon y Glucksbourg), so while Queen Elizabeth's surname is clearly not "of Great Britain" King Michael and his decendants are indeed legally named "de Romania" and the Greek royals are now "de Grecias" rather than Schleswig-Holstien-Glucksbourgs (a name that they did not use but were entitled to).  Calling King Michael a Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, would be like calling Queen Elizabeth a Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha, technically correct but not legally so.

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Originally Posted by Ethiomonarchist
Through his grandmother Queen Anna of Bourbon-Parma


We all know who and what you mean, but as the Monarchist League's Don Foreman just alerted me in an e-mail, that's sort of an odd way to refer to her, as she is certainly not Queen of Bourbon-Parma.  Queen Anne of Romania (nee Princess of Bourbon-Parma).

I do not agree that King Michael and Romanian monarchists must be imprisoned by the dilemma of the succession.  Surely monarchists do not need to make things harder for ourselves?  Restoring the monarchy and giving the dynasty a suitable living emblem for the future is what matters.   The 1947 abolition of the monarchy was totally illegitimate and illegal, but obviously in the absence of a Parliament that recognizes the Crown the Constitution cannot function as it once did, and it seems to me entirely reasonable to allow the King to make such decisions regarding the succession as seem appropriate to him until such time as the monarchy can be restored and the Parliament submit to its proper role as servants of the Crown.

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It was the constitution that made King Michael King of the Romanians in the first place, and I do not agree that his extra-constitutional acts as regards the succession are either valid or justified. The matter of the succession should be left for the Romanian people to settle if the monarchy is ever restored, which can only be by their wish.
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Well the Romanians need to hurry up and restore it then.  What is wrong with them?  I am sick of these apathetic modern Europeans with their modern attitudes and acceptance of republicanism.

What else was King Michael supposed to do?  Let the dynasty essentially disappear?

If I were going to criticize King Michael, it would be for not having been pro-active enough in the cause of restoration over the past two decades, but I fully support his move to clarify the succession.

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But he hasn't clarified the succession, since his actions have no legal force. He has attempted to arrogate powers he does not possess, and done Romanian monarchism which he has otherwise served so well no favours. If the Crown is not based in law it is a tyranny, and what he has done was not based in law.

Since there is no Romanian monarchy it was not necessary to provide a successor for it. We all hope that there will be again one day, and then the Romanian people will select their King, or Queen, as was done when the monarchy was founded.
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The Style being recognized, perhaps at the restoration, the title will be granted to the one with the style.....

As long as the Monarchy is 'awaiting recognition' the 'make him a prince, and give him the honours' is all the King can really do - maybe it will be enough. 




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If the King, who is getting up in years, dies without a line of succession in place any monarchist movement is bound to founder and disintegrate as rival claimants tear it apart.  Opening up the succession to a wider pool of candidates is the best way to ensure that a restoration never happens.  Making his views as to who should succeed him clear is the best thing His Majesty can do.  His German relatives are clearly uninterested in the Romanian succession, and even if they were, getting Romanians motivated to restore a monarchy only to give it to a German with no direct connection to them is asking for a bit much. 


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It's a question of monarchists = bunch of kooks with no connection to reality vs monarchists = people deeply versed in their country's history, traditions and laws and devotedly upholding them, and the monarchy as part of them. If King Michael can just do what he wants then the monarchy is part of Romania's comic opera past. If he acts in accordance with law, which involves effectively stating that the last law of the country dealing with the matter provides no clear successor, and therefore it is up to the people to choose one should they decide to restore the monarchy, then that institution is part of the country's past, present and perhaps future.

His actions are understandable and I do not condemn them on a personal level. However, I think they were ill-judged, and I do not think that they had legal force on any understanding. Romania's monarchy was always constitutional, and there is nothing in the constitution that provides for the King to make such decrees of his own motion, and without Government advice or Parliamentary approval.
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"....the last law of the country dealing with the matter provides no clear successor, and therefore it is up to the people to choose one...."

Styling the one he wishes to be Prince, (while admitting that it doesn't carry the force of law), would be a way for the King to lead.  'This is
Nicolae, Prince of Romania, whom I consider third in line to the throne...'

It is not like the young man is barred by the old law, the king is just responding to a condition unforeseen in law. 

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Well he is actually, since the marriage of his parents was unequal. That could be remedied by a change in the law, but like I keep saying the King can't just up and do that. He certainly could say "My grandson Nicholas is my preferred eventual successor", and sort of did, but unfortunately left out the preferred bit.
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