Monarchy Forum

Elizabeth II's coronation

Plantagenet — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:44:55 GMT

I've seen clips of the coronation on Youtube and I must say it was a beautiful ceremony. The still expensive (back then) color film makes it that much better. I've heard that any future coronations will not be so grand and I think that's a shame. I guess all eras pass into time sooner or later. Believe it or not the first time I heard Handel's musis was while watching "The Madness of King George". I loved it so much I bought the soundtrack to the movie.

Forum: General

Jean & Philomena d'Orlans have a son!

royalcello — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 15:25:01 GMT

From an e-mail I received this morning:

Quote:

Prince Jean d' Orlans and his wife Princess Philomena Duke and Duchess of Vendome had their first son and first child Gaston At Paris on November 19th 2009.

Source: Regalis Genealogia, Royaut 2, Nobiliana BAG 2009.

I trust that whatever our views on the French succession we can all be pleased at the birth of another Capetian prince and wish him and his parents the best.

Interesting that they chose a name that has never been held by a French king.

Forum: Europe

Another place more British than modern Engalnd

BaronVonServers — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 15:07:57 GMT

Chula Mississippi,
Fox Hunt

Anglican Priest Blesses the Hounds.

Proper Attire:

Breakfast was shrimp & grits, bacon, sausage, pork tenderloin, smoked salmon, biscuits, muffins, bread pudding, and about a dozen other dishes.....

Forum: Off-topic Social

Queen Elizabeth comforts her devoted footman after tragic family loss

Ponocrates — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 14:30:07 GMT

Gratitude and loyalty, the bonds of monarchy, go both ways.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/200911192427/queen-elizabeth/footman-comfort/state-opening/1/

Queen Elizabeth comforts her devoted footman after tragic family loss

Loyal Fraser was determined to take part in the traditional procession from Buckingham Palace to the Houses of Parliament this week (pictured), despite the Queen's pleas he take more time off
Photo: Getty Images

The British monarch - whose grandson Harry served in war-torn Afghanistan - is said to have left dinner to comfort the footman
Photo: Rex

19 NOVEMBER 2009

The Queen has personally comforted one of her loyal footmen after learning that his brother had been tragically killed in Afghanistan.

It is reported that upon hearing the news the British monarch left dinner to be by the side of Fraser Marlton-Thomas, and spent half-an-hour consoling the 25-year-old.

Despite her pleas for him to take more time off to grieve for his sibling - 28-year-old Corporal Loren Marlton-Thomas - devoted Fraser spent just one day with his family before returning to help with preparations for the State Opening of Parliament.

He also insisted on taking part in the traditional procession from Buckingham Palace to Westminster, refusing to be absent on one of the monarch's busiest days.

On Wednesday he proudly stood in his full livery on the back of a carriage carrying a lady in waiting and the Master of the Horse, as an escort to the Queen, who was attending the opening of parliament to deliver her annual speech.

"Both these brothers have devoted their lives to serving Queen and country," a palace source told the Sun. "For them personal duty is not a fancy idea, it is the core of their being."

"And when Loren laid down his life for his comrades, it was the Queen herself who was able to comfort a grieving brother."

"The Queen has a special relationship with her servants," the source added. "She is incredibly loyal and cares deeply for all of them. They respond in kind."

The monarch's grandson, Prince Harry, spent ten weeks serving in Afghanistan in December 2007.

Forum: British Isles and the Commonwealth

Ethiopian Reporter Newspaper has revealed the incriminating letter from Mengistu Ordering the Execution of the Imperial Official in November 1974

Ethiomonarchist — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:43:53 GMT

The letter above was made public today by the Ethiopian Reporter just ahead of the anniversary of the massacre of "the 60" on November 23, 1974. The letter is from the then "First Vice Chairman Mengistu Haile Mariam" of the Derg and is addressed to the "Campaign and Security Command" of the Derg, it is marked as "Very Urgent" and the subject is "Action required on the Political Decision in regard to the Officials of the Former Imperial Government". As a piece of historic documentation it is a stunning piece of evidence. Mengistu writes that since the Derg "demolished feudalism and swept away the crown" it has been closely studying the case of the former officials of the government of Haile Selassie I. It has now reached a decision on the fate of those officials who for over 40 years have been "oppressing and looting" the wide masses of the Ethiopian people. He states that following a meeting of it's full membership, the Derg has unnanimously decided that "Revolutionary action" should be taken on the 54 former civilian and military officials listed on the following page. It was therefore hereby ordered that

1) Lt. General Aman Andom (the then chairman of the Derg who had refused to sanction the executions and other Derg decisions engineered by Mengistu) should be immediately arrested at his home and made to join the prisoners.

2) That a bulldozer be taken to the central "Kerchele" prison and made to dig a pit and at exactly 8 pm the former civilian and military leaders numbered 1 to 54 on the attached list are to be separated from the other prisoners.

3) That at exactly 2 am in the morning, the 54 named prisoners are to be loaded onto military vehicles and taken to "Kerchele", and put to death together "by bullets".

The letter is signed by First Vice Chairman Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, and is on the letter head of the derg (then bearing the Lion of Judah stripped of it's crown and cross which briefly served as it's symbol until it was scrapped in favor of more communistic symbols).

The letter exposes as lies the various attempts by members of the Derg and Mengistu himself to blame a larger group known as the "neus derg" of rank and file soldiers of being to blame for this decision. Lt. General Aman Andom who had served briefly as interim head of state following the deposing of the Emperor had refused to sanction the executions without trial and refused to authorize a new offensive in his native Eritrea which was the reason for the order for his arrest. When the army came to seize him, he and 6 followers encamped at his house engaged in a blazing battle with them and were all killed (as a boy I lived a short distance from his home and remember the sounds of battle quite vividly). Their bodies ended up in the bulldozer pit at Kerchele along with the 54 officials who included several heroes of the Italian occupation, noblemen, educated and experienced officials of the government and the Imperial court. The full list of the executed follows in the next post.

Forum: Asia and Africa

Edward III's claim to France?

Plantagenet — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:38:15 GMT

I've read recently that the French adopted the salic law, barring descent from a female ,specifically to bar Edward III from the throne. I had first thought that the salic law had always been in effect but now I don't know. Edward's mother was Isabella of France, a french princess. I do know that in England the salic law has never actually applied meaning that if females could not actually claim the throne their male heirs could. I know that the underlying reason for the hundred years war was to give the english nobles something to do other than plot against the monarch and win riches to boot. Opinions?

Oh and here is another twist. How could Henry V lawfully claim the French throne when his father was a usurper king? He was a great grandson of Edward III but he was not of the senior line Henry V's claim of course was spelled out with the edge of a sword imo. The fact that the French didn't accept Edward III himself compounded it.

Forum: General

An Interesting Read

Mars — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:23:53 GMT

Well, I'm certain that this has been seen before, but just for the sake of sharing information I thought those of you who may not have seen this might find it a very interesting read.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe4.html

Forum: General

Australians Vow To Stop Public Holiday for Queen's Diamond Jubilee

Royalistdefender — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:05:33 GMT

NEWS STORY

Republicans vow to stop public holiday for Queen's diamond jubilee
By Aaron Langmaid and Charles Miranda - Herald Sun - November 18, 2009
12:01am

The day of commemoration would be shared with England and other nations
where the Queen is head of state / File* Moves for holiday for Queen's
diamond jubilee
* Would be shared with England
* Republican labels it "irrelevant and wrong"
FURIOUS republican campaigners have vowed to fight moves to create an
Australian public holiday to celebrate the Queen's diamond jubilee.

The day of commemoration would be shared with England and other nations
where the Queen is head of state under a Bill tabled by a British MP.

Tory MP Andrew Rosindell sparked fierce international debate after he lodged
a bid to reserve a day in 2012 to mark the Queen's milestone, the Herald Sun
reports.

But Australian Republic spokesman David Donovan said such a holiday would be
"irrelevant and wrong".

"It may be appropriate in England, but it's certainly not here," Mr Donovan
said.

"We strongly object to any moves and would be looking at lobbying actively
to make sure it doesn't come about.

"The British Royal family has no relevance in Australia.
"And there would be no sense at all in having a holiday to celebrate the
Queen's reign."

But Australian Monarchist League national chairman Phillip Benwell said it
was an occasion worth celebrating.

"This goes beyond the monarchy-republican debate. It's above politics," he
said.

"The diamond jubilee should be used to celebrate 60 years of reign of a
remarkable lady who has thought only of her duty to her people."

Mr Benwell said he had already contacted Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to
discuss the plans. But he conceded the public holiday was more likely to go
ahead in England long before it ever did here.

Forum: British Isles and the Commonwealth

British Labour Candidate Peter White compares HM Queen Elizabeth II with "Vermin"

Royalistdefender — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:51:04 GMT

16 November 2009 2:35 PM

Labour candidate compares Queen to "vermin"

Labour candidate Peter White is set to become Britain's most famous Republican - at least for the next few hours, I suspect.

Mr White, a candidate for Havering council next year, lit the blue touchpaper after Tory MP Andrew Rosindell presented his bill for a public holiday to mark the Diamond Jubilee in 2012.

In a comment on Rosindell's Facebook page (which is open to the public), Mr White wrote:

"What is the point of celebrating the Diamond Jubilee of someone who is born into a position of privilege, she is a parasite and milks this country for everything she can, she has more front than margate asking for extra money from the civil list. Maybe she should sell a couple of her properties.
Maybe if she want Buckingham Palace to maintained from public funds she should open it to the public. Don't get me wrong i have no problem with a public holiday but lets have one that means something, rather than celebrating vermin."

I've now got hold of Mr White. He denied he is any longer the Labour agent for Romford (he stepped aside from the post in 2004). But it turns out that he is a candidate for South Hornchurch ward in Havering (when all London boroughs are up for election) in 2010. The ward is currently split, with one Labour, one Tory and one Resident. Mr White appears to have set up the Labour4SouthHornchurch Facebook site HERE.

When I talked to Mr White, he was unrepentant about his Republican views.

"I would be happy to see Queen Elizabeth's reign as the last. The Queen may be popular, but I don't think people like what's coming up behind her."

I asked if he regretted using the words 'parasite' or 'vermin', but Mr White replied:

Maybe you could say I went too far, but thats for other people to judge.
"If anyone raises any objection to the Monarchy, they need to be prepared to take stick for it. I think to be patriotic is to support your country, you can do that without supporting this one small institution within it.

I think that Republicanism is a valid viewpoint and there are plenty of people who agree with me. I would prefer to criticise the institution rather than the individual. But if someone puts themselves in the public domain, they should be open to criticism.

Mr White added that he was now probably going to focus his efforts on combatting Nick Griffin and the BNP in the nearby Barking Parliamentary constituency.

When I put all this to Andrew Rosindell, he said he was "appalled" by the remarks posted on his site.

"I think it's completely and utterly disgusting. I suspect that many Labour voters will also be offended by his comments. I think this very damaging to the Labour party as many working class voters support the Queen.
Everyone is entitled to their views as to whether we are a Monarchy or a Republic, but most of the public would disagree with such offensive language.

UPDATE: Graham Carr, chairman of the Local Government Committee of the Upminster and Hornchurch Constituency Labour Party today moved swiftly to distance the party from Mr Whites remarks. He tells me:

They were frankly infantile and offensive to many Labour voters. I want to dissociate myself and my party in Havering from his comments"

FURTHER UPDATE: I've received an email from a friend of Mr White. In it, he says:

"I have decided to withdraw one of the comments I made as in hindsight I feel I shouldn't have called the Royal Family vermin, but I stand by my staunchly-held political belief that they are an undemocratic and outdated institution."

330PM UPDATE: Yet more news. Looks like Mr White may soon be a former candidate. When I ring him for a quote, I'm referred to Labour HQ. And now we get this:

A London Labour Party spokesman said:

"Peter White has been summoned to a meeting with key members of the local
party and officers from the London Regional Labour Party. He will be
required to explain his comments and they will consider his future."

In a statement issued in his name, Mr White said:

"The way I expressed myself was totally inappropriate. I regret what I said
and apologise unreservedly."

16 November 2009 2:35 PM | Permalink | Comments (6)

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Nasty vile far-left wing extremist.

Perfect McLabour material! he's destined to go far!.

Posted by: Ste | 16/11/2009 at 03:07 PM

Typical communist labour nobody remark,why people such as this don't leave for Cuba or some other communist paradise is beyond belief they just want to destroy everything traditional about this country and turn it into another failed socialist utopia.They should be exiled the lot of them.

Posted by: roadrunner | 16/11/2009 at 03:38 PM

"Maybe if she want Buckingham Palace to maintained from public funds she should open it to the public. Don't get me wrong i have no problem with a public holiday but let s have one that means something, rather than celebrating vermin."

Educated by Balls personally were you? What was that Labour mantra all those unlucky 13 years ago? "Education, education, education."

"I think to be patriotic is to support your country, ..."

And that is why you, Labour and the rest of the true vermin in this country sold us out to Federal Europe? Do we still hang traitors in this country?

Posted by: Frank | 16/11/2009 at 03:39 PM

I think that Republicanism is a valid viewpoint and there are plenty of people who agree with me." Including myself. Mr White's honesty and courage is very refreshing!

Posted by: Johanna | 16/11/2009 at 03:47 PM

As a staunch labour supporter I am disgusted. Everybody has the right to voice an opinion but such a vitriolic attack on a defenceless 80 plus year old person whoever they are is unforgiveable.

Posted by: michael f everitt | 16/11/2009 at 04:17 PM

It seems as though there is the belief that if they apologise, unreservedly, all will resume as before.
Is it me, or are they crazy ?

Posted by: jon | 16/11/2009 at 04:20 PM

http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2009/11/labour-candidate-compares-queen-to-vermin.html

Forum: British Isles and the Commonwealth

Patriarch Pavle of Serbia has died

Ethiomonarchist — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:26:30 GMT

His Holiness Patriarch Pavle of Serbia died in Belgrade on Sunday. He was 95 years old, and a staunch supporter of the resoration of the Serbian Monarchy. His Holiness had been hospitalized for several months and had earlier tried to abdicate the Patriarchal throne because of his ill health, but his request was denied by the Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church which maintained that he should remain Patriarch for life. The President of Croatia (a largely Roman Catholic country) where Patriarch Pavle was born when it was part of Yugoslavia, has sent his condolences to the Serbian Orthodox Church, as have the leaders of Serbia's Muslim community.

The Patriarch's remains will lie in state in Belgrade until his burial on Thursday November 19. It is expected his successor will be elected following the end of the traditional 40 day mourning period for the late Patriarch. Flags are flying at half mast across Serbia and bells across Belgrade have been tolling for the late Patriarch.

Forum: Off-topic Serious

President Obama's newest controversy

Ethiomonarchist — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:41:50 GMT

The President of the United States has raised the ire of many people here in the U.S.A. because of his insistance on bowing deeply to foriegn monarchs. He raised a huge ruckus a few months back by bowing to Elizabeth II and to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and this week he has the anti-monarchist crowd in a huge tizy over his deep bow to the Emperor of Japan.

Recent presidents of the United States have not been particularly consistent in their behavior in this regard. The President's Bush I & II and President Ford stood straight and shook hands with foriegn monarchs, the same with Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton strangely gave the Emperor of Japan a "Namaste" Indian style greeting. Jimmy Carter caused a stirr by kissing the Queen Mother on the mouth much to her dismay. Richard Nixon was the most courtly, bowing to foriegn monarchs from the waste to roughly a 45 degree angle. FDR is quoted as once saying "If I have to see yet another king I'm gonna bite him!" I like President Roosevelt, but ughhh!
President Obama bows deeper than any of the past U.S. Presidents and this hasn't sat very well with many on both sides of the aisle. What to our fellow forum members think about this?

Forum: Americas

November 11 celebration

hubertgaston — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:29:09 GMT

This November 11, several tens of royalist high-school pupils and students of French Action Franaise gathered on Champs-Elyses avenue in Paris to commemorate the end of the WWI and to celebrate on November 11, 1940, first public demonstration of French resistance, organized to the time by a royalist group students.

Forum: Europe

Obama bows to the Emperor of Japan

KYMonarchist — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:52:57 GMT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/15/obama-bows-in-japan-to-em_n_358222.html

Predictably, the right is going bonkers, check out adamNsteve's comments, where he also repeatedly refers to HIM the Emperor of Japan as quoteonquote "royalty". Funny, last I checked the Emperor of Japan was internationally recognized as the world's only reigning Emperor. Why the quotation marks? Oh yeah, you're a pathetic ultra-Americanist republican.

But this one really took the cake for me:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston120

Devout Jews and Christians only bow before G-d. Yo, read your ten commandments.

Aside from religion, memba the American Revolutionary War? It is part of our founding principles not to bow to anyone. We're all created equal, etc., etc.

Oh, when in Rome????? Forget that baloney. The American President bows to no person on this earth.

Any Jews or Christians wish to correct this person?

Forum: Asia and Africa

Crown Prince of Serbia Saddened about the Passing of Patriarch Pavle

Royalistdefender — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:55:50 GMT

From a newsletter, I got the news that the Patriarch of Serbia died! Here is what it says:

CROWN PRINCE ALEXANDER DEEPLY SADDENED BY THE PASSING OF HIS HOLINESS PATRIARCH PAVLE
Belgrade, 15 November 2009 - Their Royal Highnesses Crown Prince Alexander II, Crown Princess Katherine, Hereditary Prince Peter, Prince Philip and Prince Alexander expressed their deepest condolences to the Serbian Orthodox Church and the faithful in Serbia and worldwide for the passing of His Holiness Patriarch Pavle, who has surrendered his noble soul to the Lord after serving Him during his life, and after being on the Saint Sava Throne as the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church for 19 years, particularly when the Serbian people were facing very difficult challenges.

"I am deeply, deeply saddened to learn that His Holiness Patriarch Pavle of the Serbian Orthodox Church has surrendered his soul to the Lord. The Serbian people have lost a pious spiritual leader particularly at the time when the future of Kosovo and Metohija, the cradle of the Serbian Orthodox Church, remains uncertain. My family joins me in expressing our deepest condolences and sympathy to the Serbian Orthodox Church and all its faithful in Serbia and worldwide and all citizens of Serbia.

http://www.royalfamily.org/statements/state-det/state-2143.html

http://www.royalfamily.org/patrijarh/patrijarh.html

I note that the Patriarch had spoken about the need to restore the Crown in Serbia and has visited Australia - see link below.

http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/01newstucture/pagesen/news04/patrpavelvisit.html

May His Memory be Eternal!!!!

Forum: Europe

The French are insane

KYMonarchist — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:28:43 GMT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8359124.stm

French people are apparently just a bunch of criminal lovers. How disgusting. The evil Revolution lives on. May it die swiftly and soon.

Forum: Off-topic Social